PvP decision. What do you say to PvE implement content?

[strallaalaa]

Nobody picks a class with a vastly defined role and expect to play a completely different role. But when someone picks a DD class, they expect to be a DD and not be excluded from content because their class is useless at its role.

I have no idea what you're getting at.

what i'm saying is every class has it's use in a party roll. mmo classes should all play differently and not all be the same thing but with slight differences like one has a bow and one has up close combat. mmo's like gw2 playing any class feels like the same crap to me and that is cause they make them equal and trying to make them all solo'able. make them all there own rather then part of a party dynamic. pvp is a party system to begin with, so complaining your gimp just means hello, you should be around others with that class. if there are some that can hold there own then that's the class you want, pick it and lets not change every class by nerfs and buffs.

but i guess i get it, i don't want classes all being the same cause they are all usually very different and fun in there own way, least that is what it's like in ffxi and some mmo's. but other mmo's this is not the case they are just all the same trash, you fight the mobs in the same manner no matter what class you pick. and complaining about one class being to op is the outcome from this and that is what i'm getting at. screw the crybabies and let them cry over it and reroll if they don't like it, why they gotta ruin all the classes to make them equal.

[Wolfie]

what i'm saying is every class has it's use in a party roll. mmo classes should all play differently and not all be the same thing but with slight differences like one has a bow and one has up close combat. mmo's like gw2 playing any class feels like the same crap to me and that is cause they make them equal and trying to make them all solo'able. make them all there own rather then part of a party dynamic. pvp is a party system to begin with, so complaining your gimp just means hello, you should be around others with that class. if there are some that can hold there own then that's the class you want, pick it and lets not change every class by nerfs and buffs.

but i guess i get it, i don't want classes all being the same cause they are all usually very different and fun in there own way, least that is what it's like in ffxi and some mmo's. but other mmo's this is not the case they are just all the same trash, you fight the mobs in the same manner no matter what class you pick. and complaining about one class being to op is the outcome from this and that is what i'm getting at. screw the crybabies and let them cry over it and reroll if they don't like it, why they gotta ruin all the classes to make them equal.

I don't believe for a second that you've played other MMOs, and you're just spouting off BS.

Going by your mentality, we should only have one healer, one tank, and one DD class, because anyone who is not the optimal class for the role should just "cry over it and reroll".

[strallaalaa]

I don't believe for a second that you've played other MMOs, and you're just spouting off BS.

Going by your mentality, we should only have one healer, one tank, and one DD class, because anyone who is not the optimal class for the role should just "cry over it and reroll".

i've played basically every mmo that has came out since i quit ffxi, that isn't what i was saying. but your on to something, i've yet to enjoy a mmo since ffxi. so go figure. but lol so the people who's class gets nerfed after say leveling it for over a year should reroll without crying? i wasn't a ranger in ffxi but i remember people crying about that big time, a game like ffxi where it took a year to level and all of sudden nerf'd lol. if anything what they could do is force only 1 of each class in a party only. i'm not a dev but if we are gonna have so many choices in classes maybe that is the part that needs working on rather then the classes. just saying.

[Wolfie]

i've played basically every mmo that has came out since i quit ffxi, that isn't what i was saying. but your on to something, i've yet to enjoy a mmo since ffxi. so go figure. but lol so the people who's class gets nerfed after say leveling it for over a year should reroll without crying? i wasn't a ranger in ffxi but i remember people crying about that big time, a game like ffxi where it took a year to level and all of sudden nerf'd lol. if anything what they could do is force only 1 of each class in a party only. i'm not a dev but if we are gonna have so many choices in classes maybe that is the part that needs working on rather then the classes. just saying.

No, people should not be whining if their class is nerfed.

Yes, people should be whining if their class sucks so much that the rest of the game's population excludes them from content.

Yes, developers should be doing a mix of buffing and nerfing to make sure that all classes are equally viable and you don't have a handful of classes dominating all content while others are on the sideline diddling themselves.

Balance is an ongoing, never-ending process. Rangers, BLMs, and other classes in FFXI whined to hell and back because they got used to being the kings of the game and they didn't like it when they got knocked down a peg.

[Gumbercules]

I think pvp should do ok as long as they keep it as a "mini game". Like battlegrounds and wintergrasp/tol barad in WoW, and have the reward system around it be more like ff 11 zone conquests thing (forgot what it was called) were the gc with the most control over a course a few days gets access to more items, although not necessarily stronger. have WoW arena style things for Free companies and try to make them 5v5+ (maybe even 3v3 but nothing smaller) so the focus is on grp coordination and play, have this with a ladder system if ppl want it etc and keep the rewards from it cosmetic, namely for boasting. and dueling and 2v2 can be there just for fun.

[reefo]

Well pvp is here to stay, you can't have a modern mmo without it. It's not going to be a huge focus probably, but should receive enough attention to make it a fun side game. I'm doubting it will be ready for long after release anyways. We'll see.

[Alhanelem]

to bad, you can't expect to pick a healer class and be equal.

Not true. For one, in WoW, priests had a "shadow" path that focused more on damage (while still allowing you your healing abilities). In addition, in FFXIV, conjurer/WHM has effective damage spells. While these don't get used that often in PvE, they will be valuable for PvP. On top of that, a healer/support class should still be an asset in PvP as long as your group is coordnated and takes advantage of it.

[Nakiamiie]

I think that open world PVP could be great depending on how it is implemented.
I remember playing Rappelz many years ago and it had an optional open world PVP. You just had to flag yourself as PVP-able and you were able to attack/be attacked by other players. For those who didn't like PVP, they just left that feature turned off. There was a countdown [delay] for both turning it on [give you the time to turn it back off in case of mistake] and off [prevents cowardly instantaneous "retreat"] too.

I think it would be nice to have something similar, that would both PVPers and PVEers can coexist and not be secluded in their own zones/worlds (because I have friends who do like PVP, would be a shame to have to be separated).