Shiva model!

[Shougun]

Really though, to be fair, Ferne preceeded the set of images with

and concluded them with

in addition to providing a comparison to the concept art they're aiming for, yet people still chose to treat it as if it represented the final product.

I mean I know virtually nothing about Zbrush, but even I could reasonably gather that it was being sculpted and wasn't finished yet. Ferne didn't put disclaimers there for nothing.

That "this is a WIP" was added after Ferne responded to everyone.

And even then there is no logical reasoning why someone would -expect- those colors to be there and not be the real ones unless they were told it was so the modelers eyes dont burst - which was something I always wondered anyways (how do they look at a big gray block for so long and not cry) lol.

"It doesn't look like the concept art"

Isn't sufficient reason to think those are not the real colors

"It doesn't look like X"

Isn't sufficient reason to think those are not the real colors

"Its in alpha"

Isn't sufficient reason to think those are not the real colors

Literally - its not obvious.

People with experience in that realm may know whats going on (and a few politely described it, thank you to those people ), and then there are people who like to assume their opinions are facts "obvious because I feel so".

[Gramul]

(how do they look at a big gray block for so long and not cry)

[Shougun]

Ah, hm..well fair enough. I didn't realize the post had been edited, heh.

Water under the bridge

I hope to see a blog post about Free Company and Housing XD - there was talk of windmills and such being place able and giving bonuses to the free company players.. Concept art of a Free Company territory *drools*

Or perhaps other little things that can be placed in zone, gardens..? Yoshida said he cracked some whips on that issue "gardens or whip" "but.. but.." "GARDENS OR WHIP".

Right.. I've only made silly polygon things (not clay stuff), but of the videos I've seen on youtube my lord.. hours of gray..

+1 for eyes, mentally +2 for making fun of the many hilarious faces of Shepard...

[Bowen]

Look; look with your special eyes.

[Rowyne]

That "this is a WIP" was added after Ferne responded to everyone.

Exactly. You can see the original posts at three main FFXIV community sites. There was no mention that it was a work in progress. It was later added for clarification.

-FFXIVCore
-ZAM
-Gamer Escape

[Zaiyah]

Exactly. You can see the original posts at three main FFXIV community sites. There was no mention that it was a work in progress. It was later added for clarification.

-FFXIVCore
-ZAM
-Gamer Escape

Actually I think they were referring to the post on the developers blog which does clearly state that before and after the model pics where most people who don't stalk the forums would see it first.

[Imoen]

Actually I think they were referring to the post on the developers blog which does clearly state that before and after the model pics where most people who don't stalk the forums would see it first.

It was stated after the images, but you have to understand the lingo/process to understand where it was in the pipeline. The top section was added shortly after Fern posted in this thread. This is in the past.

[Yrusama]

Actually I think they were referring to the post on the developers blog which does clearly state that before and after the model pics where most people who don't stalk the forums would see it first.

Actually I think Ferne had to edit the blog post for clarity's sake. I don't remember seeing that before his confirmation post on the forums.

[EinSoFZ]

That "this is a WIP" was added after Ferne responded to everyone.

And even then there is no logical reasoning why someone would -expect- those colors to be there and not be the real ones unless they were told it was so the modelers eyes dont burst - which was something I always wondered anyways (how do they look at a big gray block for so long and not cry) lol.

"It doesn't look like the concept art"

Isn't sufficient reason to think those are not the real colors

"It doesn't look like X"

Isn't sufficient reason to think those are not the real colors

"Its in alpha"

Isn't sufficient reason to think those are not the real colors

Literally - its not obvious.

People with experience in that realm may know whats going on (and a few politely described it, thank you to those people ), and then there are people who like to assume their opinions are facts "obvious because I feel so".

So can we attribute the actual issue here to ignorance? Fernehalwes stated what program this was created in. To me, and I guess this could just be an opinion, people could have googled ZBrush and what normal map sculpt data is to find out that it's still a very early version with limited uses and applications. Actually, just googled the creation of a 3D image form start to finish and educate one's self.

Perhaps the real question would've been: What evidence or reasoning suggested those ARE the real colors? (this would've been before Fernehalwes had to come clear up the apparent misunderstanding). There would've been little evidence suggesting they are and more leading us to believe that they weren't. Ignorance can be a reason, but it's not an excuse.

This is all old news, but I see holes in your logic.

[Shougun]

So can we attribute the actual issue here to ignorance? Fernehalwes stated what program this was created in. To me, and I guess this could just be an opinion, people could have googled ZBrush and what normal map sculpt data is to find out that it's still a very early version with limited uses and applications. Actually, just googled the creation of a 3D image form start to finish and educate one's self.

Perhaps the real question would've been: What evidence or reasoning suggested those ARE the real colors? (this would've been before Fernehalwes had to come clear up the apparent misunderstanding). There would've been little evidence suggesting they are and more leading us to believe that they weren't. Ignorance can be a reason, but it's not an excuse.

This is all old news, but I see holes in your logic.

Good to see you have holes in your logic

There is no "real question if those "are the real colors"". If you see a model, even a WIP model, you would expect in the future what you will see as an improvement but in a general sense not a 180.

Without knowing the personal points like "mah eyes are frying" there is no reason to assume they would color a model differently then what it actually will be (like I said some people informed us on this process (and other related processes) and Fern doubled up on it).