Thoughts from a casual

[Mjollnir]

No MMO in the history of MMO's came on the market polished.

Having played LotRO from Closed Beta through release, I'd have to stick up for it here. The Chronicles of Spellborn was another that I played which released without any major imbalances in the mechanics or game/server bugs.

I also played beta/release of Warhammer, Age of Conan and (natch) FFXIV which certainly weren't ready for release.

So in my experience it's certainly an unjust statement to say that no MMO in the history of MMOs came on the market polished, but I do understand where you're coming from.

I did enjoy playing games, both solo and MMO that took months to level to cap. It made me want to take a break from levelling up (whether by grind or questing) to get level-specific gear and spells as soon as I could, as it wasn't feasible to wait until cap before backtracking and picking them up. I don't think FFXIV is going to be one of those games, but I've been enjoying it for different reasons than the levelling system, so that hasn't bothered me so far.

[Lady]

No MMO in the history of MMO's came on the market polished.

Every MMO I've tried in the last 4 years, I load the game, look at all the pretty stuffs, go to the foum as a level 20 and the first 6 pages are about how end game sucks because its all a horrible grind. It isn't but that's what the power gamers turned it in to in order to get to end game in the same time it took me to get to level 20. A ginormous grind to be followed by more grind. Sorry but these MMO's don't fail because Devs didn't think through their content. They fail because the scene gamers who invade them don't think through the content. They can't slow down to enjoy it. Smash through it because who needs good armor at 20 when you will be 20 for 3 or 4 days? All they care about is end game.

For some people out there who have very few accomplishments in real life, gaming is all they have. So they rush to the top, proclaim themselves winners, and offer their criticism to show their superiority.
Don't let them upset you, if anything feel sorry for them.

[fusional]

I wouldn't say a game that has survived 10 years with enough players to sustain a P2P enviroment is a failure.

But as far as the "artificial roadblocks", to me they weren't that. I lvled to 18 to get my SJ, I lvl'd to 30 to get my adv job, I lvl'd to 40 to wear full RSE, I lvl'd to 60 to wear full AF. To me these were goals, not blocks.

where did i say it was a failure? see, this drives me absolutely NUTS about the people in these forums. no matter what you say, no matter how specific- they convince themselves you said something entirely different.

and you're leaning heavily on a fallacy of personal experience. just because they weren't roadblocks to you, that doesn't mean they weren't roadblocks to the majority of players who tried the game and quit sometime between level 15 and 60. (and if i were a betting man, i'd say most of them quit between 18 and 30)

Sorry but these MMO's don't fail because Devs didn't think through their content

nope and wrong. i could type up an entire essay on the topic of how marketing and demographics work, and what that has to do with gaming, but you'd just ignore it and repeat yourself. so carry on telling yourself whatever it is you're convinced is true.

[Kallera]

nope and wrong. i could type up an entire essay on the topic of how marketing and demographics work, and what that has to do with gaming, but you'd just ignore it and repeat yourself. so carry on telling yourself whatever it is you're convinced is true.

So you admit that your reasoning is so poor that you can't actually convince people? Are you posting in this thread just to hear yourself talk? WoW did not cater to all "all niches and demographics". Or there wouldn't be so many people that do not care for the game in the first place.

[Lady]

where did i say it was a failure? see, this drives me absolutely NUTS about the people in these forums. no matter what you say, no matter how specific- they convince themselves you said something entirely different.

and you're leaning heavily on a fallacy of personal experience. just because they weren't roadblocks to you, that doesn't mean they weren't roadblocks to the majority of players who tried the game and quit sometime between level 15 and 60. (and if i were a betting man, i'd say most of them quit between 18 and 30)



nope and wrong. i could type up an entire essay on the topic of how marketing and demographics work, and what that has to do with gaming, but you'd just ignore it and repeat yourself. so carry on telling yourself whatever it is you're convinced is true.

You seem angry for some unknown reason... Forums are full of personal opinion. I respect yours, no reason to disrespect mine.

[Allesasi]

FFXIV version 1.0 was awesome but then again I don't like to bitch and complain about every little nitpicking detail about a game. I play games for fun not to fullfill my entire life's needs. If the game is not perftect ( which no game will ever be for everybody) so what!!! I adjust to the games inperfections and try to have as much fun as I can. Leveling is not of my favorite way of having fun in a game, for ME, the faster the better that way I can get to learning and enjoying the IMPORTANT content of a game. To Me leveling should not be considered an accomplishment but rather a REQUIEREMENT.

I've seen other mmos out there and for some reason or another FFXIV and ARR just seem to be the best for my taste. If you disagree or dont like FFXIV then find that game that is fun for you and enjoy it. I know it's hypocritical but I am really tired of people complaining about this game. If you dont like it dont play it Period. And, if it fails because too many people want a perfect game so be it. There are plenty of other things in life to enjoy besides a video game anyway!!!!!

[Quesse]

FFXIV has no journeys only destinations.

That is the difference.

I'm hoping FFXIV fixes that but I doubt it. MMOs in general don't have journey's anymore. People are too impatient.

[Alhanelem]

FFXIV has no journeys only destinations.

That is the difference.

I'm hoping FFXIV fixes that but I doubt it. MMOs in general don't have journey's anymore. People are too impatient.

It absolutely has journeys. It's simply up to you to take that journey. If you enjoy that there's nothing to stop you from doing it.

Also remember that everyone including current players is going to have to visit places themselves before they can teleport or travel there. You won't be able to have someone else take you there to unlock it like before.

[Alhanelem]

FF14 will end up being casual friendly.

"casual friendly' and 'hardcore friendly" don't have to be mutually exclusive.

[Allesasi]

"casual friendly' and 'hardcore friendly" don't have to be mutually exclusive.

I consider myself as Casual Hardcore!!!!!!!!