Devs: Do you have plans to reset the forums in the future?

[Alhanelem]

I don't really think you would say the same thing if you were on the other end of a ban without any proper cause or explanation to why.

If you're banned, you did something to deserve it. They don't ban people from the forums easily (I know plenty of people who have gotten many notices of moderator action against them without a ban)

Thus, in fact, when you are banned, you should know why. They tell you when action is taken. Normally the content of the post that led to the action is cited, so it should be immediately obvious.

Again: if you get banned, you deserve it. Of course you wouldn't say the same thing if you were on the recieving end: Nobody is ever willing to admit they did something wrong.

[Molly_Millions]

I don't really think you would say the same thing if you were on the other end of a ban without any proper cause or explanation to why.

They give you an explanation when you are banned. I know from experience. And you get a few warnings before you get a perma-ban.

[Shougun]

They give you an explanation when you are banned. I know from experience. And you get a few warnings before you get a perma-ban.

This is what I've been lurking for.

If this is true, then those who were perma-banned, should stay banned.

So if:

1. you where told what you did
2. you where given a chance to stop (not including actions gone too far)
3. you got banned anyways

4. then you should stay banned

To OP's particular case I'm curious how he go perma banned while temp banned.. that doesn't seem quite right. Though he may have said something so crazy in another post that they where like "holy crap, banned".

Also I believe they temp ban you first and then discuss further action - so his first action may have been the reason why he was banned, they just had to discuss it first. Like they lock and hide threads temporarily sometimes in order to clean it out, and then they will toss it back out. Bubblez will steal your lulz

He should check and see which emails are connected to his account - perhaps he got the warning but didnt "get it".

[-S-a-g-e]

They give you an explanation when you are banned. I know from experience. And you get a few warnings before you get a perma-ban.

I'm telling you first hand that I have seen both of his emails and only on the first temporary ban did they tell him why the second ban which happened in the middle of his time serving the prior had no excuse whatsoever and they refused to give him an answer through email so he made a call and there they told him it is all handled in Japan and they can't tell him squat all they can do is file a dispute on his behalf.

The first ban which I understand can be see as hateful and offensive because he directly called someone being born slow in the head or something very close of that nature but never said anything foul,racist, or any other type of bigotry. It is against the UA to directly harass another member of the forums, he understood that and accepted his time allotted ban.The perma-ban blindsided him and was without warning or explanation. I am not disputing his old offenses or anyone elses for that matter.

I am going to stick to my guns here and say what I have been saying, Final Fantasy XIV is about to have it's second chance and so should all of it's paying players. We are expected to let them have a chance to redeem themselves then they should be held to the same standard as us. Give those who were banned from previous forums behavior and actions a second chance with the start of the new game. I've pretty much said all that I can say about this and you either agree or your disagree, hopefully we will get a dev response on this and their plans in the very near future.

[Allesasi]

Banned users don't deserve another chance. sorry.

You sir are Evil!!! lol

[Titans]

Banned users don't deserve another chance. sorry.

Everybody deserves a second chance. Mistake are made to be corrected, like SE has made mistakes. Aren't you and many like us giving SE a second chance with ARR after the mistakes they made with 1.0? It would be hypocritical of them not to do the same to those that continue to pay and support them with there second chance.

[Elexia]

Everybody deserves a second chance. Mistake are made to be corrected, like SE has made mistakes. Aren't you and many like us giving SE a second chance with ARR after the mistakes they made with 1.0? It would be hypocritical of them not to do the same to those that continue to pay and support them with there second chance.

SE doesn't perma ban if you're on a "second chance" is the point here lol. Lots of people I know who got temp banned for things usually get unbanned after their 3 hour lockout, but if they continually repeat it they get permabanned.

Think of it this way:

Strike 1. Your post gets moderated.
Strike 2. You get temp banned for 3+hrs.
Strike 3. You continually get temp banned they decide to permaban you after reviewing your case.

It's really that simple..If her brother is who that post says it is, I know there's been quite a few instances of his posting that he more than likely would have or did get banned for, and SE reviewed that and perma banned him.

[-S-a-g-e]

SE doesn't perma ban if you're on a "second chance" is the point here lol. Lots of people I know who got temp banned for things usually get unbanned after their 3 hour lockout, but if they continually repeat it they get permabanned.

Think of it this way:

Strike 1. Your post gets moderated.
Strike 2. You get temp banned for 3+hrs.
Strike 3. You continually get temp banned they decide to permaban you after reviewing your case.

It's really that simple..If her brother is who that post says it is, I know there's been quite a few instances of his posting that he more than likely would have or did get banned for, and SE reviewed that and perma banned him.

What you say is generally about right except about his posts, though I'm not sure if you read my last post. Really the issue isn't about whether we think they should or should not do it but is whether they are going to or not. I made the forum post because I was curious what some others would say to it, though mainly looking for a dev response on the matter at hand.

Though no one has yet answered my response to the "No" that keeps getting thrown out there. What would it hurt? How would it in any way effect the players negatively? I partially explained how it is a win-win at the current time and no resistance but people ignoring the statement altogether. Titans understands just wish the rest of the community could too. We are giving their game a second chance, they can give all their fans one as well.

[Alerith]

Though no one has yet answered my response to the "No" that keeps getting thrown out there. What would it hurt? How would it in any way effect the players negatively? I partially explained how it is a win-win at the current time and no resistance but people ignoring the statement altogether. Titans understands just wish the rest of the community could too. We are giving their game a second chance, they can give all their fans one as well.

Then allow me to respond directly.

Many of us don't want to deal with the idiots that got banned. They got banned for a reason, and it's likely that they are not people we want to interact with in the first place. It's not a "win-win" because the banners roam free and we have to deal with their stupidity once again. Who does it negatively impact? Those of us who have to deal with them when they're free.

Yes. SE is remaking their game and the forums are getting an overhaul. That does not make people who got banned any less stupid for doing whatever action they did to get banned.

Furthermore, and possibly to a lesser extent, it negates the impact of punishment to begin with. These people got "permanently" banned. If they were suddenly released on a second chance, a lot of good "permanent" bans do. What's next? Big Jimmy can choose to ignore the rules, knowing he'll get his ban lifted again at some point? Hell, why not just unban everyone at milestones in the games life. New expansion! Release the bans! Starlight Festival! Release the bans! You're messing with the integrity of the punishment by doing this.

Also, just because we disagree with you doesn't mean we don't understand. That's a weak argument and you should abandon it before you make yourself look like a tool.

[AmandaHuggenkiss]

Banned users don't deserve another chance. sorry.

Thank you.
To have BelgarianROFL posting again would be a crime against humanity.