Animation Lock: Why don't you like it?

[Firon]

I think a lot of people are confusing attack animation with animation lock. People complaints were not about standing still to use chaos thrust it was the fact after the animation finished you were bound for 1-2 secs which is pretty dumb. Hell even XI did not lock you down after every ws or spell.

Look at the Coincounter fight The fight its self is simple but tanks can hardly do anything in that fight cause you don't want to be locked down cause you wanted to use a self buff.

[Zumi]

Animation lock is gone in 2.0, thank you Yoshi-P. Its a flaw that was in the game due to a bad engine design in 1.0. I can't understand why anyone would be arguing to bring that back it makes for some horrible gameplay.

But really why argue about it? It's gone and not coming back.

[RowanLauron]

Woo touchy subject!! TL;DR @ the bottom

Some history of my FFXIV and MMO background: Skip past this for my ani lock vs gcd discussion.

I played FFXI for almost 3 years before I quit (quit a few months into WotG...I miss campaign T.T) it and took a break, then I got into WoW, so I've went from animation lock to GCD system.

I was in the 1.0 Beta and have been on and off 1.0 ever since. Recently started playing again very consistently after the jobs were introduced.

Animation lock vs GCD:

Since I've played FFXI before, the animation lock wasn't new to me, so when I came back to XIV from WoW it was easy to readjust. Although the ani-lock overall didn't bother me, I did notice it did hamper my gameplay some, but eh...you just deal with it.

Until I did Ifrit...(As a caster, there is no melee example as I did not use a melee job in my attempts)

Some of it may be lag issues, but since when has FF MMO's been known to have good lag for US players :P

My main job was WHM, so I didn't have to do much...stand near the rock = /win, but when it came time to move from the eruptions or avoiding his dashes I had an issue. (Dealing with eruptions as a caster will be my main example here since whm positioning usually did not need to worry about the dashes in my experience)

Now as far as the whm casting animations (I am a hyur male) my character brings his hand to his forehead and begins "casting" his spell. The cast bar finishes then he extends his hand to actually "cast" the spell, then moves his hand back to it's neutral position at his side. There are two separate animations here that I notice. The hand to the forehead (channeling of the magic), then extending the arm + return to neutral position (the actual casting of the spell). The former is necessary as it's during that time the cast bar is being filled meaning the character is concentrating on casting the magic/ability. I think we can all agree that it is necessary (oh the price of being a caster :P).

The latter is imo the animation most people have issues with as far as being rooted when you need to move urgently.

From my experience if you are midcast (cast bar is being filled, first animation) there is no movement restriction, therefore you may interrupt the cast and move immediately. However, if the cast bar is completed and the cast is going to happen the other animation starts, which prevents you from moving until the hand is brought back to the neutral position. This is where imo most people feel "rooted". So if you factor in an eruption for example, if it comes in while you are in midcast and the bar fills up (whether it be lag, slow reaction time, or just bad timing) you get stuck in that 2nd animation where your character "casts" the spell/ability then you are rooted for almost a good 2 seconds, while the eruption blows up under your feet. This is when that animation is either unnecessary OR it should have been a fluid motion along with movement.

Since a lot of people tend to cling to "realism and immersion" in this game, then realistically if you were in that situation would you not move as you swing your arm out the actually cast the magic/ability at your target? I would say it would be possible. Once the cast bar has been filled, the conditions to allow the spell to be cast have been met, so anything you do after that should not impede the casting of the magic/ability. In reality, I would think after the caster has meditated, concentrated, or channeled long enough, you would not have to stand still to actually throw the magic from you to the target. The magic is more than likely at it's focal point allowing you to simply direct it to where it needs to go since the magic has already been conjured and is ready to be released.

So with that in mind, my character should be able to run and "cast" the spell at the same time once he has finished conjuring it (meaning he should be able to run at the same time he is extending his arm to cast the spell). This is where most of the problems would have been alleviated imo. The same principle applies to BLM, and any other jobs that use abilities that require a "cast time". I do not know what kind of work is required to change something like that, but that's what I think would have been a nice fix.

I remember back in FFXI the same issue happened. Your group decides to run for the zone if you get in trouble. You are casting a spell, and the cast bar fills so you know the cast is happening. If they were in range your character would stop to SLOWLY raise their hand in the air to cast the spell and stand there a good 2-3 seconds to let that animation happen before you could run again (then you remember you forgot a reraise scroll T_T). Same thing in FFXIV. Usually it doesn't bother much until you have to make those decisions to move ASAP or you need to turn tail and run, but the game requires that certain animations must happen before your character can begin the running animation.

Remember back in early FFXIV when your character had to stop to put their weapon away before they could run again when passive and active mode were toggled stances....? They fixed that albeit it's not necessarily the most fluid animation...looks staggered but that's probably all they had to work with, but look how much better it made the gameplay!!!...(at least it did for me).

Anyway that's my take on it. Right or wrong that's what I would have done if I had the ability to change it granted the game design allowed it.

TL;DR

The second half of casting animations should be more fluid. Meaning once the cast bar is full, the character should be able to move without having to transition between casting and walking animations as they cast the magic, but after the cast bar fills up. This would help prevent the "rooting" casters and some melee felt when they had to cast something, but evade a mechanic or simply just {Run away!} quickly.

[Firon]

Animation lock and GCD is not the same damn thing stop comparing the 2.

@ the poster above me FFXI did not lock you in place after using a skill you could well slide but you were not bound

[Legado]

My main reason for me disliking animation lock is it ruins combat/game play fluidity. Global cooldown is and has proven to be a much better approach. Letting you always stay in full control of your character.

[RowanLauron]

As far as melee is concerned, if movement was allowed during WS's (at all times meaning free movement) there could be a penalty. For example if you move, but are facing the target you will have maybe a 50% accuracy reduction. If you are moving and face away...you flat out miss.

Other than that, I can't think of anything else right now. Someone else had mentioned something in this thread about it before I'm just too lazy to look back :P.

[RowanLauron]

Animation lock and GCD is not the same damn thing stop comparing the 2.

@ the poster above me FFXI did not lock you in place after using a skill you could well slide but you were not bound

Eh, been a long time since I played, I'm probably remembering it wrong :P

But as far as I remember that didn't happen often. I think it was a glitch if you were able to pull it off. Had to move at the right time in order to slide.

[Elexia]

^^ I 100% agree with this post.

I must also LOL at people who insist that the only reason people didn't like animation lock in this game was because of the Ifrit fight.

You do realize...99% of the complaint about animation lock was the Ifrit Fights, right? You rarely heard people complain about it in Moogle Fight (even easier than Ifrit) and Garuda Fight (it can screw you but it was already a decent challenging fight.)

Realistically, people only used it as an excuse when they screw up on such an easy fight like Ifrit Hard otherwise it affected everything, but people only complained when it came to Ifrit because they needed an excuse, just like how they say Japanese players can mess up in Ifrit fights and still do better, which SE has stated otherwise and anyone who actually played from Japan can atest to the fact there's still a lot of issues as well with XIV. Animation lock and "lag" people still also confuse with graphical lag, which did affect your performance as well too. If you've ever cranked up the graphics past what your PC can handle and noticed how certain things like skills firing get delayed or your S/R goes crazy, that should clue you into that it's not just one source the issues, which SE has stated numerous times as well.

They simply chose using an engine for this game that wasn't designed for MMOs, which is why they built XI's from scratch from what I recall. Notice how building XIV's from scratch rectified a lot of other issues that's unrelated to AL.

[Alhanelem]

You do realize...99% of the complaint about animation lock was the Ifrit Fights, right? You rarely heard people complain about it in Moogle Fight (even easier than Ifrit) and Garuda Fight (it can screw you but it was already a decent challenging fight.)

Well it sticks out like a sore thumb there because mobility is so important (and players coming from FFXI are not used to the kinds of attacks that make it so important), but it's hardly the only time animation lock is ever an issue. It's annoying in dungeons and other places as well where it doesn't ruin you but slows you down unnecessarily when you just want to get on with it after doing what you were doing.

Animation lock vs GCD:

Again, i'm scratching my head at why everyone pits these two things against eachother. Neither one of them is truly necessary for anything, so to me it's like asking me if I want my poison injected or ingested.

[Kikosho]

A mage can cast spells from afar a melee has to be next to the boss to hit it. Probably why one of the reasons they have to stand still when they cast. In PvP if you can move and cast Vs any melee you could kite the melee the whole time while damaging him.

And likewise, if a melee can do a skill and move, as a mage, you'd never get a way from him.

Animation lock was absolute shit, I don't even understand how anyone could defend it's usefulness. Immersion is not an excuse for a poor design that inhibits players so greatly. You can not have a battle that requires mobility with very quick reaction times and then have players locked into animations for 3 seconds. It's absolutely asinine.

The arguments that it made for tactical gameplay are completely wrong and simply white knighting a terrible terrible terrible system. The only way you could possibly defend it, is if the battle was a stationary battle and moving was not required but timing of attacks was. This is not how the game was designed however and so the animation lock system was absolute garbage and that is why we won't be seeing it in ARR. Animation lock + Mobility Fights = Full retard Battle System.

It's gone for good and the game is 100% better because of it.

Except there are plenty of instances in other games where your character is briefly locked in place while he performs a move -and- it requires dodging of attacks by the enemy. It's like you guys have never played a video game outside of RPGs. Also, contrary to what you want to believe, Ifrit -was- designed where timing of attacks was important.

Yes, the animation locks in FFXIV were dumb but it was mainly because SE decided to make you summon a GF whenever you decided to perform a skill not to mention they provided no way for you cancel or speed up the animation. Not to mention animation locks were there for everything when it could have done away with it, such as for buffs.

I honestly don't care that ani locks are gone, just a new system to get used to and new mechanics to abuse.