ARR class progression

[Xatsh]

While old fashioned grinding might not be up to snuff, they will have dungeon grinding which is said to give quite a bit of xp. So think of it as like loot with lots of xp on the side!

Running the same dungeon over and over and over again gets horribly boring. Also unless they remove the cooldowns for re-entree dungeon leveling will not even be the most effective.

[Nix]

Running the same dungeon over and over and over again gets horribly boring. Also unless they remove the cooldowns for re-entree dungeon leveling will not even be the most effective.

For sure ; ;, though I'm hoping they will add in many more dungeons to make that side of grinding quite fun/varied instead of "Ok, let's re-run tam-tara for the 50th time today /cry"

[Ramesses]

Running the same dungeon over and over and over again gets horribly boring. Also unless they remove the cooldowns for re-entree dungeon leveling will not even be the most effective.

I thought Yoshi just explained that the dungeons are now at least three times their current size? With some people on the forums mentioning rumours that some dungeons may even have a dynamic ability to randomly change layouts? That's not enough?

[Angelas]

When its all said and done I have a feeling the people who are so keen on the questing for exp might welcome back a grind system. Although grinding can be tedious reducing the exp to force people to quest seems a bit forced to me. For example how much running around will you do for exp? How much exp? How quickly can you gain exp per hour by questing? This will all play a huge factor in how successful the system is.

I also believe this is to reduce gil-farmers leveling quickly as you will actually have to go through quests to get exp, not as much fun for the players but a system to reduce botting etc... so I see what they are doing. I am not so happy with the change but I will reserve my final critiques for after playing in the Beta.

[mbncd]

I just hope that crafting and gathering gets the same range of levelling options as combative classes. In general, the very vast majority of quests are for combative classes or errand running that can also be done by combative classes. I'd love to see a lot more quests for gathering and crafting, and some group levelling options for crafting and gathering. If Yoshi&co doesn't think pure combat grinding is not good enough for the 8 (or 9 after Arcanist comes out) combative classes, why would pure crafting/gathering grinding be good enough for the 8 crafting classes and 3 gathering classes? Quest grinding should be an option for all disciplines, not just a couple. Crafting/gathering/combat grinding should be an option too of course but only an option, not a compulsory part of levelling any one class any more than it is for the combative classes.

And this is coming from someone who already has all crafting and gathering classes to 50 and still needs to do some combative levelling so I'm not asking for this for myself, but rather for the crafters and gatherers that come after and deserve to be treated fairly. We don't just need enough quests to level 8 or 9 classes, we need enough to level 19 or 20 classes.

Crafters and gatherers need story lined quests and memorable characters and something to change up their levelling with more often than 1 guild based quest every 5-10 levels, aside from their errand running quests which they probably already did on combative classes.

I'd love it if crafters and gatherers even got some FATE group crafting/gathering events too. Say you're training BSM/ARM in Limsa's guild (it's the one guild for both classes if anyone is unfamiliar with it) and a furnace blows up. All of the BSM/ARM training players there can rush to repair the damage, helping the guild, getting crafting experience, working in a team for a common goal, maybe getting some sort of crafting related rewards or some sort of respect within the guild for services rendered that could help unlock other things in the store or other quests.

There's no reason for a crafter to spend their entire time levelling a craft by sitting in one spot making hundreds of the same item all day and night, then changing the item once you get too little experience from it. Gathering is slightly more active and social but not by much. I did it all as a means to an end but it lacked in so many ways that it was not enjoyable in and of itself to me. The vast majority, I think, only levelled crafting and gathering as a means to an end, to get some item or to be able to make something for someone they care about or to make money. It seems as though it was designed to test people's ability to stick though monotony or read a book while "playing". Combat and combat related content on the other hand is typically designed to be fun in it's own right, whether you're at 50 already or getting there.

I'm not saying have the crafters and gatherers able to take down Darnus hard mode, just to give them similar ranges of content and things to immerse themselves in that aren't quite so monotonous, and to give them things that only they can do on a regular basis, just like the combative classes get.


TL;DR: A lot of people focus on the mob grind vs quest grind issue of levelling combative classes. I'm trying to present this from the drastically underdeveloped angle of crafting/gathering the same item vs quest grind (of quests actually involving crafting/gathering more often then once every 5-10 levels). Let's see a range of options for all disciplines, rather than the current model of just half.

[Cynthis]

I second the opinion that crafting/gathering should have more varied ways of leveling.

[Allesasi]

Leves worked great for leveling DOL and DOH in 1.0 to a certain extent not to mention the materials rewards were awsome. I don't have any fighting classes to level but it would totally kill things in 2.0 if we cannot SB for materia anymore if party grinding is nerfed. I'm pretty sure I'm not gonna be the only one pissed off if it will take us forever to SB stuff because of these changes.

[HamHam]

I hope is not quest, after quest, after quest, after quest, because that $h!t is boring. It's one of the reasons I don't like WoW.

[ShinigamiKayla]

Running the same dungeon over and over and over again gets horribly boring. Also unless they remove the cooldowns for re-entree dungeon leveling will not even be the most effective.

killing the same mob over and over in an exp grind group is horribly boring... I'd rather at least be getting gear with my dungeon kills ...

[Xatsh]

killing the same mob over and over in an exp grind group is horribly boring... I'd rather at least be getting gear with my dungeon kills ...

I would rather have the option for both