NINJA...New Pet Class!

[Shougun]

you don't know what you're talking about. ninja never supplanted PLD, they just became a fad job for specific periods. good PLDs were always needed for endgame. just as they are now. let me know how your legion groups do without PLD tanks.

are you guys all sore because NIN was more popular for exp? obviously they'd be more popular- they did more damage and required less healing, leading to faster chains.

So you are saying PLD should suck at tanking until end game? Thats stupid. PLD is the tanking class, at any point in the game they should be a superior tank. PLD needs to be included in the scheme of leveling up.

[Forgo]

So you are saying PLD should suck at tanking until end game? Thats stupid. PLD is the tanking class, at any point in the game they should be a superior tank. PLD needs to be included in the scheme of leveling up.

i agree a good pld didn't need much healing since they are self healers when they bottomed on mp thats when the whm is needed

[fusional]

So you are saying PLD should suck at tanking until end game? Thats stupid. PLD are the tanking class, at any point in the game they should be a superior tank. PLD needs to be included in the scheme of leveling up.

can you possibly stop being obstinate for the sake of it for a moment and think about what you're saying? the only time PLD ever sucked at tanking was before NA release, and NIN tanks hadn't even been discovered then. they were GREAT tanks all the way up through endgame- they just didn't lend themselves to exp parties as well as ninja for obvious reasons, which made ninja the fad preference in exp for obvious reasons.

they were never "excluded" from the scheme, they just weren't preferred. kind of like how whm were never "excluded" from healing, but rdm became preferred after a while- for the same basic reason nin was preferred over pld. you can't go around trying to "fix" certain jobs to account for efficiency or player preference in specific situations or you just end up endlessly "fixing" every single job over and over throughout the life of a game leading to new gaps and disparities that need to be fixed.

why? because people constantly change and adapt. so let them, and stop crying.

because in the end, people STILL needed and wanted whm, and people STILL needed and wanted PLD. just because they weren't the most efficient in EVERY GIVEN SITUATION that didn't make them broken, sucky or useless.

stop sensationalizing, kiddo.

[Shougun]

can you possibly stop being obstinate for the sake of it for a moment and think about what you're saying? the only time PLD ever sucked at tanking was before NA release, and NIN tanks hadn't even been discovered then. they were GREAT tanks all the way up through endgame- they just didn't lend themselves to exp parties as well as ninja for obvious reasons, which made ninja the fad preference in exp for obvious reasons.

they were never "excluded" from the scheme, they just weren't preferred. kind of like how whm were never "excluded" from healing, but rdm became preferred after a while- for the same basic reason nin was preferred over pld. you can't go around trying to "fix" certain jobs to account efficiency in specific situations or you just end up endlessly "fixing" every single job over and over throughout the life of a game leading to new gaps and disparities that need to be fixed.

why? because people constantly change and adapt. so let them, and stop crying.

because in the end, people STILL needed and wanted whm, and people STILL needed and wanted PLD. just because they weren't the most efficient in EVERY GIVEN SITUATION that didn't make them broken, sucky or useless.

stop sensationalizing, kiddo.

PLD should always be the prefered tank, that is their entire purpose.

If they aren't good at their purpose and they aren't balanced at other purposes like dealing significant damage, then they do suck in light of other options -hence a preference not to choose them. Also I played NA release and the choice to choose NIN over PLD happened all the time.

So stop being obstinate and stop sensationalizing kiddo, its unbecoming.

[Wyyote]

why? because people constantly change and adapt. so let them, and stop crying.

because in the end, people STILL needed and wanted whm, and people STILL needed and wanted PLD. just because they weren't the most efficient in EVERY GIVEN SITUATION...

So, I kind of agree with this train of thought. Jobs are always evolving based on content, and if a player is able to use a job in an unexpected way, then so be it. If it becomes the norm, then SE, and the community will adapt accordingly. In XI it was all about earning EXP in the most efficient means possible, not about which job "could" do the role. Hopefully ARR creates situations where the end result is the same, but the party makeup and tactics could vary wildly.

Take the MNK or BLM strategy on Chimera. Both work well, it's just a matter of preference and play style.

[Biggs]

stop sensationalizing, kiddo.

THIS coming from you is hilarious to me. And thats just after having read the posts you made in this OP. I thought it was ingenious that someone thought up blink tanking, for sure. Kudo's for not using as intended and being sort of effective for normal parties. But no one ever invited Nin's into parties on my server to do what they were intended to, which, to me made me really sad and ruined the job. Thats my opinion, key word there, and really not worth getting flamed for just because you clearly think NIN tanks had the sun rise and set out of their ass. Thats YOUR opinion, and i am happy to leave you to it without the insults. Why don't you try doing the same......