A mounts matter

[Zenaku]

Is this with response to Kallivis or are you explaining Yoshida's reasoning.

If you are trying to explain Yoshida reasoning for mounts then I don't agree... I think mounts are really only for show and to increase movement speed (this is not to say that some mounts should be faster than others)...

Yoshida said he wanted to make it so that chocobo could fight (I think)... which means that he might give mounts (not the clothing but the actual beasts) different stats that we can raise (chocobo higher evasion and dex than goobue, but goobue higher hp and str than chocobo)...

although now that I think about it, it would make sense that we could give chocobo armor to better defend if they fight but they would probably decrease movement speed rather than increase it since it would probably be heavier and meant for fighting only...

guess you did not understand my post CHOCOBO are for fighting and our main mounts the rest of them are just for fun. Like the drake or the goobbue we got last year. Which mean other mounts or really just for display to look cool using them but if you want to use a mount for battle it would be chocobo due to them having the tree like system which is heal,dps,tank that what i'm saying.

[Zumi]

The reasoning for all different kinds of mounts in a mmo is to give the players something to collect and try to catch them all in a sense, works wonders in those types of games.

[Jinrya-Geki]

A tonberry mount would solve all these problems.

Easy design, small, and looks awesome. Simplicity at it's best.

Of course it would be lalafel only, cause our awesomeness deserves attention.

[PSxpert2011]

Mounts should be craft-able... but I'm ready for anything! I'm ready to be annoyed for what comes my way, for the people with silly mounts that didn't take any effort to get! I mean, the FFXIV DEVs are wasting time and resources for this kiddy crap when they can develop on lore, story, new jobs/classes(go beastmaster!) and armor/weapons.

new mounts?? (WTF SE!!!!!!!!!) ... huff huff huff...

...now alpha tester making the beta for PS3 get pushed back... this beetter be good... and worth the wait.

[Shougun]

Mounts should be craft-able... but I'm ready for anything! I'm ready to be annoyed for what comes my way, for the people with silly mounts that didn't take any effort to get! I mean, the FFXIV DEVs are wasting time and resources for this kiddy crap when they can develop on lore, story, new jobs/classes(go beastmaster!) and armor/weapons.

new mounts?? (WTF SE!!!!!!!!!) ... huff huff huff...

...now alpha tester making the beta for PS3 get pushed back... this beetter be good... and worth the wait.

Craftable mounts would actually be pretty cool - beyond crafting macro 'mounts' like airships and boats. I think Yoshida talked about the possibility of parts for the Magiteck, that could be some crafting. Also stealing blueprints from those other tech. advance cultures (some ancient).

That said I was pretty surprised myself when we were first told about the mounts. . I was pretty happy with just Chocobo content. However if we must have more then chocobo content then at least feature it, not some vapor content.

[Keith_Dragoon]

Sooo it's only a waste of dev time if you disagree with it? That sounds fair! I agree with the OP's ideas but also agree it can come at a later date whenever SE has people to devote to this project.

[Kallivis]

Sooo it's only a waste of dev time if you disagree with it? That sounds fair! I agree with the OP's ideas but also agree it can come at a later date whenever SE has people to devote to this project.

There are major differences in the points Warlock brought up and this situation.

This is, from the information presented, an idea nothing like anything they planned on doing. In fact, it is contrary to what they planned on doing. Yoshida gave information on what he wanted mounts to be like, and he wanted mounts to be aesthetic (for a reason).

Many of the things being implemented or ideas being considered are things that Yoshida was already feeling strong about (PVP, jumping), or are systems that can easily be implemented into the current setup (AF dye).

This thread is basically going "Yoshida, we don't agree with you that they should be aesthetic. We should..." and I brought up my reasons for why I personally don't agree with it. Which are the same sort of reasons that were quite vocal on these boards some time ago before they became as dead as they are now. Aesthetics are important, not forcing people into certain situations with stats so everyone is a carbon copy of each other.

Anyway, done with this thread. I submitted my opinion, and getting too many responses taking the point and twisting it. Don't have time for this. Enjoy your discussion.

[Shougun]

There are major differences in the points Warlock brought up and this situation.

This is, from the information presented, an idea nothing like anything they planned on doing. In fact, it is contrary to what they planned on doing. Yoshida gave information on what he wanted mounts to be like, and he wanted mounts to be aesthetic (for a reason).

Many of the things being implemented or ideas being considered are things that Yoshida was already feeling strong about (PVP, jumping), or are systems that can easily be implemented into the current setup (AF dye).

This thread is basically going "Yoshida, we don't agree with you that they should be aesthetic. We should..." and I brought up my reasons for why I personally don't agree with it. Which are the same sort of reasons that were quite vocal on these boards some time ago before they became as dead as they are now. Aesthetics are important, not forcing people into certain situations with stats so everyone is a carbon copy of each other.

Anyway, done with this thread. I submitted my opinion, and getting too many responses taking the point and twisting it. Don't have time for this. Enjoy your discussion.

Vanity system, Yoshida was aganist it. People create thread, Yoshida says fine.

So.. still no difference.

[strallaalaa]

Sooo it's only a waste of dev time if you disagree with it? That sounds fair! I agree with the OP's ideas but also agree it can come at a later date whenever SE has people to devote to this project.

i'd say it's a waste cause they fixed the dang engine and look already, they need content, not more aesthetic things, or things they will obviously start to sell in cash shops in the future rather then give to us. i remember wow with the shinny asss horse or unicorn or whatever ..was all over youtube and they sold it for like 20.00. that is a waste, makes them money off people yeah. but at same time where is the content? and they did what op asked, made it faster or some shit? i don't remember i'm not a wow player. but that is basically forced purchases.

this is a game, not dress up land, more mounts are just extra. more content is, more content. you can't argue the 2 are the same and it don't matter to me how many try to argue that. if you buy it won't be more then a minute of satisfaction. if they put it in game and create huge content around it then maybe yes ..rather then gear we have shinny new coerl as a drop somewhere.(chocobo raising in ffxi wasn't content to me, it was bullshit, and boring and wasn't true content, just like races in it or Colosseum) but i bet you what, they will just hand it to us cause of those crying i can't win or i shouldn't have to do a dungeon to get it? right point proven it's not part of the real game. it's the facebook, aol facet of the game. a new sims online and sims for facebook is on way, play that.

but like is said in the other post here, long as they aren't pushing cash shop items already b4 i have enough content to play then whatever. aesthetics don't make the game, and the for you it does people ...i guess i just don't care. you'll kill the game really quick with it.

i do like the idea of crafting parts for a mount or the whole mount. but sounds like a lot of work to add. and in the end it won't really give you that something to do in game when all is said and done. it's the important part for SE to get right at the moment if you ask me. second i run out of things to do i'm done. i won't run around with my mount roll playing and making videos with it. i'm not gonna play tag on them in the forests of gridania. i'ma just quit and watch the game sink. specifically if they try creating non content and calling it content while i'm twiddling my thumbs.

[Shougun]

i'd say it's a waste cause they fixed the dang engine and look already, they need content, not more aesthetic things, or things they will obviously start to sell in cash shops in the future rather then give to us. i remember wow with the shinny asss horse or unicorn or whatever ..was all over youtube and they sold it for like 20.00. that is a waste, makes them money off people yeah. but at same time where is the content? and they did what op asked, made it faster or some shit? i don't remember i'm not a wow player. but that is basically forced purchases.

this is a game, not dress up land, more mounts are just extra. more content is, more content. you can't argue the 2 are the same and it don't matter to me how many try to argue that. if you buy it won't be more then a minute of satisfaction. if they put it in game and create huge content around it then maybe yes ..rather then gear we have shinny new coerl as a drop somewhere.(chocobo raising in ffxi wasn't content to me, it was bullshit, and boring and wasn't true content, just like races in it or Colosseum) but i bet you what, they will just hand it to us cause of those crying i can't win or i shouldn't have to do a dungeon to get it? right point proven it's not part of the real game. it's the facebook, aol facet of the game. a new sims online and sims for facebook is on way, play that.

but like is said in the other post here, long as they aren't pushing cash shop items already b4 i have enough content to play then whatever. aesthetics don't make the game, and the for you it does people ...i guess i just don't care. you'll kill the game really quick with it.

i do like the idea of crafting parts for a mount or the whole mount. but sounds like a lot of work to add. and in the end it won't really give you that something to do in game when all is said and done. it's the important part for SE to get right at the moment if you ask me. second i run out of things to do i'm done. i won't run around with my mount roll playing and making videos with it. i'm not gonna play tag on them in the forests of gridania. i'ma just quit and watch the game sink. specifically if they try creating non content and calling it content while i'm twiddling my thumbs.

Obviously I cant say for sure (and neither can anyone else in either direction) but I really think people are -extremely- overestimating costs of this idea (which would just be programming more slots in the mount templates they use (or at least I assume they are using a sort of template)). Anyway people act like Yoshida has pennies and he is a bum begging on the street, and anything more then a sliver will cost too much. Let him decide.

People need to stop using it as an argument against things. You can say you dont like it, thats cool. Or that you would enjoy it but you want some other content that you would enjoy more worked on first.

But people running around as Yoshida's personal yes/no planner- its a bit asinine.

And yes I agree this is not a dress up game, or at least I really hope it doesn't turn out to that. People may think that means I'm against RP but hardly so. RP is to role play, and what better way to role play then to actually enforce the role.

Its not role playing, or at least proper - if you arent even trying to inhabit the role. Therefore, mounts with stats would be best of the game, or at least for a better role playing -game.

And I really would hate to see a cash shop. Would prefer expansions and for the game to stay p2p.

Also.. that $20.00 mount was the horse armor of bethesda- which was a bunch of horse crap lol.