Counter to Elitism

[Chardrizard]

The only people that whines about class stackings are mostly the one that are terrible at the class they played so people never let them go, face the fact, you are terrible and SE is not going fix it.

Most endgame LS has zero issue trying out different setup and wins, accomplishing things and having fun at the same time, yes the issue isn't with the elitist, it's with this terrible players that are hiding behind casual cover.

It's a common known fact, most melee DPSer especially have zero freaking knowledge about enemy moves, timing their WS and get the way out of shit like Scorpion Sting, where to run when Chimera does certain breathe, etc etc.

[yukikaze_yanagi]

The only people that whines about class stackings are mostly the one that are terrible at the class they played so people never let them go, face the fact, you are terrible and SE is not going fix it.

Most endgame LS has zero issue trying out different setup and wins, accomplishing things and having fun at the same time, yes the issue isn't with the elitist, it's with this terrible players that are hiding behind casual cover.

It's a common known fact, most melee DPSer especially have zero freaking knowledge about enemy moves, timing their WS and get the way out of shit like Scorpion Sting, where to run when Chimera does certain breathe, etc etc.

Is this a joke ? Because as actually a good melee who know his job well, every time i want to be mnk the usual answer in my static is "if we can win more easely with all blm, why we should make things harder ?"
Which is a good answer because almost all people in my static are blm as main :|| fuck them all

[Chardrizard]

Is this a joke ? Because as actually a good melee who know his job well, every time i want to be mnk the usual answer in my static is "if we can win more easely with all blm, why we should make things harder ?"
Which is a good answer because almost all people in my static are blm as main :|| fuck them all

That is the problem with your group's mentality then. I was a MNK main as well and has pretty much MNK every single content succesfully. It's a public stigma that most people treat melee DPS like a garbage because of they expect to mash buttons and wins. Everyone can have good gear, what is your definition of good MNK? does everyone knows how to save the party in the verge of death? does most melee come prepared with different kind of meds? do they carry sets like evasion sets (you can literally gets 50% evasion rate on most NMs along with shitton of survival tool playing PUG)?

For sometimes we had MNK tanking chimera because of the crazy hate they can gain in that particular fight, makes pretty much all BLM able to go all out. How many MNK out there knows how to tank and evade breathes properly? you can probably count them by fingers.

I suppose it comes down to us to convince people how we'll contribute to a fight, you don't just ask if you can come as xxxx then expect them to bend the norm without explanation why is it better than current cookie cutter strategy, and this is probably the issue with people who whines, not many goes in deep research and think of a strategy and expect people to waste their time to try something you are not so sure yourself will succeed.

[yukikaze_yanagi]

That is the problem with your group's mentality then. I was a MNK main as well and has pretty much MNK every single content succesfully. It's a public stigma that most people treat melee DPS like a garbage because of they expect to mash buttons and wins. Everyone can have good gear, what is your definition of good MNK? does everyone knows how to save the party in the verge of death? does most melee come prepared with different kind of meds? do they carry sets like evasion sets (you can literally gets 50% evasion rate on most NMs along with shitton of survival tool playing PUG)?

For sometimes we had MNK tanking chimera because of the crazy hate they can gain in that particular fight, makes pretty much all BLM able to go all out. How many MNK out there knows how to tank and evade breathes properly? you can probably count them by fingers.

I suppose it comes down to us to convince people how we'll contribute to a fight, you don't just ask if you can come as xxxx then expect them to bend the norm without explanation why is it better than current cookie cutter strategy, and this is probably the issue with people who whines, not many goes in deep research and think of a strategy and expect people to waste their time to try something you are not so sure yourself will succeed.

My definition of good mnk is a mnk who know well its job.
Yes, i use food, i use str potions (or other meds) i use raise tonics, i have an evasion gear, i have some situational gear, i know how to avoid shit i can avoid. Still, i can't do what i want in most fights because it's more easy. Excuse me if i hate class stacking

[debola]

I agree with Chad. FFxiv doesn't REQUIRE certain setups to win. The reason why people are strict about setups doesn't have much to do with the game as it does common human nature. When people find a setup that works they stick to it, or the setup that is easiest to pull off. This is best for PUG groups when the coordination and communication is lacking and so thats what most pple end up doing. An LS on Gugnir server has a video up where they cleared Aurum Vale using. 1PLD, 1WAR, 1 BLM, 1 DRG, 1 BRD, 2 WHM, 1 MNK, under 25 mins. Such a thing would be hard to pull of with a PUG.

edit: figured i'd add the link for proof. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVlLSzCff_o

[syntaxlies]

It's "satisfying" because of the feelings of happiness that come after you win a roll and gain a very awesome drop. I mean, that's usually why it's satisfying, lol. If you wind up doing a dungeon a few times and not getting the item you want, then that means your luck hasn't come in yet. Maybe you'll get it next time. Maybe the time after that. Who knows? The element of skill and luck when fighting in a dungeon for an epic drop make getting the drop all the more gratifying and rewarding. I'm sorry, I just don't think that just because you do content you should automatically be entitled to the epic reward for said content. I also believe that the luck factor makes the reward far more special than the "farm the dungeon for tokens to get the reward" factor.

The odds were so bad that many went 1.0 with never getting the drop they wanted. I don't mind luck being a part of it but that was bad. I wonder how many corselets were even on the server

[EinSoFZ]

Might as well bring back HNM camping. To me FFXIV (and from I can see ARR will) has too many instances that give out gear as opposed to content that's freely open to all players that can potentially do the same. When everything is instanced, the degree of difficulty of getting gear is quite low even if the dungeon is challenging in itself. Just my opinion, but instances are best used in moderation and if they're not there needs to be something which prevents players from spamming the instance for what they want.

Pre-ARR it was not hard to fight Garuda/Ifrit/Moogle/Whatever over and over again. Dunno why people ever complain about those fights or any other content where it's instanced. Maybe since the drop rate sucked?

So yeah, instances are cool but I think SE needs to step it up beyond them if this game is to be anything besides an extremely easy whim. Basically, back up from instanced content a bit.

[Roaran]

People who are better, should be rewarded for their efforts; and others, if they too value their efforts, should aspire to reach the same level as them.

The problem is that investing more time into a game does not necessarily mean you are better. I would rather some events require MUCH MUCH more skill and preparation and much less forgiving for failure, and also not require days of 2-4 hour long farm fests.

[debola]

I can't wait till 2.0 comes out and we see some ridiculously hard content. Pple need to realize that when yoshi said speed runs nd stuff were gonna be taken out nd drop rates increased, the level difficulty would have to be raised a great deal. I foresee this making another round of QQ's and can't wait to see all the pple who are complaining about spam fests to start complaining about Overpowered raids. ^_^

[KumaAkuma]

This all makes me think of competitions where everyone earns a medal just for participating.