@Devs: Please allow us to travel at will between servers.

[Abriael]

I never assumed anyone wanted this now I simply said they just built the servers for ARR how they wanted them. To prepare or consider doing so again because a few people suggest it would be silly.

You do assume they'd have to do anything "again".

I like how you call all opposing posts tall assumptions when most of your arguments are based off of assumptions. I guess It's ok for you to assume but everyone else who does so is wrong.

Just because other games can do xyz does not mean it is easy or possible without extreme amounts of work for another game. You have to take into consideration the other gears in the machine before you jam one in that doesn't fit.

Actually absolutely none of my arguments is based on assumptions.

I know that this system and similar systems works well and without visible drawbacks in other games, and that other developers are working on the same or similar features as we speak.

Other than that, I do not know if the system is feasible, cost effective or fits the plans of Square Enix for this MMORPG. And I do not assume it is. In fact I said several times that it's for them to assess. I made a suggestion that is for them to evaluate.

The only ones making assumptions here are the ones assuming it would be terribly difficult, not cost effective, or not fitting Square Enix's plans, despite not knowing anything about Square Enix's current server tech and it's room for evolution, their resources, personnel and plans.

You make alot assumptions, call them facts but refuse to post a source for them. You are completely unreliable!

I call them facts because they *are* facts. The games I named are available for everyone to play, and the ones that aren't yet released are already official news.

If you don't want to try out those games and see with your own eyes because you're afraid to widen your horizons, it's your problem, not mine, isn't it?

You calling someone unreliable doesn't make it true. You continue to demand "sources" from me (when those "sources" are in front of everyone's eyes), but I don't see you posting any to disprove what I say. Wonder why?

what are you doing if you get a Dev response

like "sorry it's not possible with our current server structure, but thanks for your feedback!"

I believe I said several times it's for them to decide. While I do believe that in a year or two the market itself (that is moving towards making server divisions obsolete, at long last) would make them change their mind if they want to stay abreast of the competition with big hitters like ESO incoming, it's their prerogative to assess and decide it.

which i doubt since the likes of post #2 are outnumbering #1)

You mean 28 people in a half-dead forum are going to stop them from considering a system that a sizable part of the industry adopted or is adopting? Sure mate. Believe it.

Mind you, considering that in their own official PDFs you can see written in big red and bolded letters:
"A Server System Built to Support a Worldless Model"

I would say that the odds are more in this system's favor than against. But again, the final word is theirs, whether they respond to this thread or not.

[ZakarnRosewood]

I think the *fact* that after all this time the Dev's have not commented on this, speaks volumes.

[Keith_Dragoon]

Yea, I was right. Your assumptions are facts and everyone else's are all just assumptions. I assume they have to do "anything" and you assume they don't how is that much much different?

You know therefore you do not assume yet all your arguments are based off a handful of games who 90% of them were built from the ground up with that server style in mind and the other 10% may or may not have implemented this in some way or form but it's nowhere as good as those who built it from the get go.

I like this man, he's the only right person on the Internets! Come on guys lets go be wrong in another thread and let him campaign against the wind.

[Abriael]

I think the *fact* that after all this time the Dev's have not commented on this, speaks volumes.

The devs don't comment on a ton of things, many of which are implemented anyway. The devs comment only on what they're ready to announce, or has already been announced or confirmed.

PS: Motivated pictures don't add any solidity to your argument, and "i'm just saying" is a cop out.

Yea, I was right. Your assumptions are facts and everyone else's are all just assumptions. I assume they have to do "anything" and you assume they don't how is that much much different?

You know therefore you do not assume yet all your arguments are based off a handful of games who 90% of them were built from the ground up with that server style in mind and the other 10% may or may not have implemented this in some way or form

I'm quite sure that since those games exist (since, you know, you can play em), so I'm quite entitled tho "assume" that they do, in fact, exist, making the process possible in theory.

I assume nothing, as everything else is for the development team to assess and decide. But it's funny how you try to warp my argument because you can't counter it in its original form.

but it's nowhere as good as those who built it from the get go.

And where did this come from?

and you assume they don't

Nope. I don't. I don't know, so I don't assume one way or another. Maybe they do, maybe they don't. It's for them to assess. Not for me, nor for you.

[Alhanelem]

If you don't want to try out those games and see with your own eyes because you're afraid to widen your horizons, it's your problem, not mine, isn't it?

actually, no. When you make a claim, the burden of proof is on you. It's not up to everyone else to play the games you mentioned and read the news you vaguely mentioned to verify what you said is true. YOU have to prove to everyone else that what you are saying is a "fact', not the other way around. Your credibility is zero if you don't back up your statements with cited sources.

[Abriael]

actually, no. When you make a claim, the burden of proof is on you. It's not up to everyone else to play the games you mentioned and read the news you vaguely mentioned to verify what you said is true. YOU have to prove to everyone else that what you are saying is a "fact', not the other way around. Your credibility is zero if you don't back up your statements with cited sources.

LOL. This is the most laughable claim I ever read. "the burden of proof is on you" is a massive cop out used by those lacking arguments to try and avoid acknowledging publicly available facts.

Obviously, I can't buy games for everyone in order for them to experience them. If they want to remain in their little world, that's their choice. Them believing me or not is inconsequential anyway, as the choice to implement or not this system is not theirs. By now it's obvious that they (and you) are just grasping at straw to avoid acknowledging that the MMORPG market is evolving.

Well, welcome to 2012 (almost 2013). The MMORPG world is moving ahead, and despite that the world didn't end. Careful not to be left behind on your obsolete servers.

You telling someone "your credibility is zero" doesn't make it true. We aren't in a courtroom, and "burden of proof" doesn't exist.

Mind you, even if we were in a courtroom, citing existing situations is quite enough to provide proof, as the court will verify them on its own. Go right ahead and do that. Don't want to? Then don't complain.

You can stay locked in your bunker as much as you want if you don't want to believe that the world didn't end. I don't need to prove it to you when you can just walk out and see.

[moriandrio]

Abby lives in his own strange world where everything is a fact he supposes, discussing with him is pointless he will never understand that there is a difference between facts and his suggestions. He is allready unreliable for most ppl anyway.

[Abriael]

Abby lives in his own strange world where everything is a fact he supposes, discussing with him is pointless he will never understand that there is a difference between facts and his suggestions. He is allready unreliable for most ppl anyway.

Oh, and you can talk for "Most people" now?

Of course there is a difference between facts and my suggestions, suggestions are by definition not facts, as they didn't happen yet.

Suggestions can be based on facts, and mine are based on the fact that other games implemented this or similar systems and more are working on it, and on the fact that Square Enix promised servers "built to support a wordless model".

What facts is what you say based on again?

Do keep living in the bunker, buddy. You're the one missing out.

[Alhanelem]

LOL. This is the most laughable claim I ever read. "the burden of proof is on you" is a massive cop out used by those lacking arguments to try and avoid acknowledging publicly available facts.

You calling it a cop out and not furnishing information you should be furnishing to back up your point is the real cop out. If your facts are "publicly available, then LINK US TO THEM FOR GOD SAKE! how hard is that? The fact that you are refusing to do so is a sign to others that your facts aren't really facts. If you want to call it a cop out, go right ahead. But it's what anyone who reads what you're saying will think.

You don't have to buy people games to prove things to them. You can proide URL links to reliable soruces on the internet. How hard could it be? If it really is a fact, you must have gotten the information SOMEWHERE.

You initiated this discussion, it is your responsibility to convince others of your position and otherwise accept their disagreement with it. You will not succeed in doing so if you do not back up your statements. Whether you are factually right or not, you can not make anyone agree with or believe you if you don't prove your points. I'm not telling you this to be mean or angry or spiteful, its just the way things are. Prove what your telling people, or be ignored. It's your choice. I'm certainly not going to bend over backwards to prove *your* position when I don't believe it's actual fact. YOU have to show us that it's fact. Not me, not anyone else here. As someone once said, "Put up, or shut up." This discussion will fizzle out and die with nobody's opinions changed or perspectives altered if you do not make the effort to do so. I'd LOVE to be convinced of your opinions- I really would. But YOU have to prove them to be accurate and reasonable. Not me.

[Abriael]

You calling it a cop out and not furnishing information you should be furnishing to back up your point is the real cop out.

And who, pray tell, decides what I "should be furnishing" in order for my point to be valid? I'm not exactly sure who you think made you referee of this discussion, but let me give you a hint. You aren't.

You don't have to buy people games to prove things to them. You can proide URL links to reliable soruces on the internet. How hard could it be? If it really is a fact, you must have gotten the information SOMEWHERE.

Of course I did. I played those games, since I'm not spending my time locked in my little Final Fantasy bunker. The same information can be found in the game's official sites, and it's not really my responsibility to dig it up for the lazy.

here are a couple example: It took a second to find them, and everyone can.
http://www.thesecretworld.com/news/b...e_secret_world
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=KxJTsq2XeKY

This means that those that aren't lazy or just unwilling to look at the information, will have them.

And anyone actually interested in the future of the game or of the MMORPG market, would be very interested in making that research, especially since Square Enix officially announced that they're working on servers able to "support a worldless model".

What does it mean? What can it mean? How far can it go?

If you aren't asking yourself those questions by now, you're plugging your own ears and screaming "lalalalalal!"

You initiated this discussion, it is your responsibility to convince others of your position and otherwise accept their disagreement with it. You will not succeed in doing so if you do not back up your statements. Whether you are factually right or not, you can not make anyone agree with or believe you if you don't prove your points. I'm not telling you this to be mean or angry or spiteful, its just the way things are. Prove what your telling people, or be ignored. It's your choice. I'm certainly not going to bend over backwards to prove *your* position when I don't believe it's actual fact. YOU have to show us that it's fact. Not me, not anyone else here. As someone once said, "Put up, or shut up." This discussion will fizzle out and die with nobody's opinions changed or perspectives altered if you do not make the effort to do so. I'd LOVE to be convinced of your opinions- I really would. But YOU have to prove them to be accurate and reasonable. Not me.

As a matter of fact, whether you or anyone else on this thread is convinced is absolutely inconsequential. Given the humongous amount of grasping at straws and personal attacks, it's obvious that some people prefer to remain locked into their obsolete world and disbelieve whatever is said.

Convincing any of those, you included, is not my responsibility. The thread isn't aimed at you (as the @Devs clearly states in the topic). It's a suggestion to Square Enix, and they know the "facts" better than me, you or anyone else here.

I provided plenty facts here, but I don't have any responsibility to find for you further information that you can read just by going to a game's official site and reading its description, or by reading its reviews. I don't really endorse lazyness.

I do find it massively funny though, that you claim I should provide further evidence of what I say, but you don't claim the same about those that continue to assume that it's impossible, not cost effective, not in line with SE's plans and all that. Looks like someone's idea of "burden of proof" is a tad one-sided and biased.

Oh, and by the way "put up, or shut up" my rear, buddy. You're no one to tell anyone to shut up. Come to terms with the idea, please.