@Devs: Please allow us to travel at will between servers.

[Abriael]

Lack of awareness of specific peices of software implemeting specific features doesn't mean I don't know how technology is applied, sorry. Try again.

Not only you didn't know it happened, but you also described it as something extremely difficult and almost unfeasible. Which it isn't. Any MMORPG with cross-server group finders has the base of the technology alreasy implemented to a rather large extent.

Having spoken multiple times with the developers that made it happen, your lack of practical and theoretical knowledge on the specific subject is rather evident, sorry to say.

You describe the work necessary to implement the system as something that would force Square Enix to completely redo their systems, which you can't argue, because you simply don't know how their systems are, and most likely it's completely untrue, as (thing that you seem to continue to ignore), their current server structure already involves immediate and unlimited transfers of character data and connections between servers, regardless of region. That's how cross-server gameplay is done, and we already know that ARR will involve cross-server gameplay.

It is an insult when I do know something, and you are specifically using my alleged lack of knowledge as an attack.

Nope. Whether you know or you don't (and you don't) telling you that you don't know something is not an insult. You may want to review the meaning of the word.

[Alhanelem]

Not only you didn't know it happened, but you also described it as something extremely difficult and almost unfeasible.

Dude, we're tlaking about like 5 different things in this thread. I never called mere server transfers "unfeasible." I was referring to the one world type of system (e.g. eve online). which most certainly would be difficult to implement at this point. Please, get your statements in order before continuing to attack me baselessly.

Nope. Whether you know or you don't (and you don't) telling you that you don't know something is not an insult. You may want to review the meaning of the word.

verb (used with object) 1. to treat or speak to insolently or with contemptuous rudeness; affront.

2. to affect as an affront; offend or demean.

3. Archaic. to attack; assault.

I consider the statements you are making to be rude and insolent because they are untrue. It's OK, you can insult people without being aware that you are doing so. But once you become aware, it's generally a wise move to correct the behavior.

You describe the work necessary to implement the system as something that would force Square Enix to completely redo their systems, which you can't argue, because you simply don't know how their systems are,

Lets make it abundantly clear. This was NOT, I repeat, NOT, a comment relating to SEVER TRANSFERS (Which I specifically stated that SE has said there will be server transfers available at some point). This comment was directed at the idea of a system where there is only one game world for everybody to be in, to thereby eliminate the segregation you complain about. Obviously there is some confusion as to what each of us is talking about, because I most certainly do know what I am talking about, it's evidently simply not the same thing you're talking about.

I most certainly can argue that they would have to completely redo their systems, because it's a completely different network architecture.

[Abriael]

Dude, we're tlaking about like 5 different things in this thread. I never called mere server transfers "unfeasible." I was referring to the one world type of system (e.g. eve online). which most certainly would be difficult to implement at this point. Please, get your statements in order before continuing to attack me baselessly.

We weren't even talking about EVE online, and putting the system I proposed in the OP in the same cauldron as EVE Online further proves that you don't really know what we're talking about. They're extremely diverse setups.

verb (used with object) 1. to treat or speak to insolently or with contemptuous rudeness; affront.

2. to affect as an affront; offend or demean.

3. Archaic. to attack; assault.

I consider the statements you are making to be rude and insolent because they are untrue. It's OK, you can insult people without being aware that you are doing so. But once you become aware, it's generally a wise move to correct the behavior.

It's not an insult just because you consider it so. You argue that it's untrue, but from what I read from your own mouth, compared to what actual developers that worked on this system told me, it's absolutely true. You don't know much if any about this specific topic, and that lack of knowledge is pertinent to the discourse, as you tried to make a cost/time assessment without knowing not only the specific system, but also the system Square Enix already has in place, which is, to be perfectly honest, ludicrous.

Personally, I make the suggestions and I'll leave cost/time assessments to Yoshida and Square Enix, and can't help but roll my eyes when someone pretends to know or to even be able to guess how much implementing something will cost them, or hoe much time it will take them without having a single shred of information on their current server structure, personnel, engine and resources.

I'm sorry if I don't feel very much guilty for reminding you of your lack of omniscience.

Just to close this pointless debate, I'll leave you with another piece of specific information for your perusal.

Funcom is currently in the process of retrofitting the system into Age of Conan, that was never built to support it. If it was so very costly, they would have no reason to implement it into a game that is only relatively successful and doesn't certainly bring in the billions.

[Alhanelem]

We weren't even talking about EVE online, and putting the system I proposed in the OP in the same cauldron as EVE Online further proves that you don't really know what we're talking about.

I didn't say you were the one that proposed it- but it came up and I started talking about it.

It's not an insult just because you consider it so.

whether or not something is an insult is entirely dependent on whether or not the recipient of the statement is offended by it.

You argue that it's untrue, but from what I read from your own mouth, it's absolutely true.

You're not reading from my mouth correctly if you think so. It's obvious there's some miscommunication going on here- but yet you continue to insult me. This discussion would be completely settled if you just realized that 1) I feel insulted by your statements and you acknowledge that and apologize and 2) you realize th at there was a miscommunication and we were not actually discussing the same topics.

Funcom is currently in the process of retrofitting the system into Age of Conan, that was never built to support it. If it was so very costly, they would have no reason to implement it into a game that is only relatively successful and doesn't certainly bring in the billions.

I do not think that implementing server transfers is costly and difficult. Again, I was not talking about server transfers at the time!

[Abriael]

whether or not something is an insult is entirely dependent on whether or not the recipient of the statement is offended by it.

Nope. Whether or not something is an insult is entirely dependent on the objective definition of insult. If someone is offended by me telling them that they have a pimple on their nose, it doesn't mean I'm insulting them.

It means they're oversensitive.

I do not think that implementing server transfers is costly and difficult. Again, I was not talking about server transfers at the time!

This isn't just a matter of server transfers. Would you pretty please just go read the OP and then come back? If there's any miscommunication, it sure isn't on my side. I believe I explained the system rather well.

It's rather hard to believe that from all that explanation, all you understood is a request for them to implement normal server transfers for free. I'm not even sure how it would be possible to misunderstand just by reading the topic.

[Seirra_Lanzce]

quit it you two beeches =.=

[Alhanelem]

Nope. Whether or not something is an insult is entirely dependent on the objective definition of insult. If someone is offended by me telling them that they have a pimple on their nose, it doesn't mean I'm insulting them.

if I'm offended by something someone said to me, then that was an insult. You don't have to have the intent to insult to insult somebody.

This isn't just a matter of server transfers. Would you pretty please just go read the OP and then come back? If there's any miscommunication, it sure isn't on my side. I believe I explained the system rather well.

Well, the last time i read your post, and the topic title, it said that you wanted to be able to switch servers at will. therefore essentially server transfers, just without any limitations. I also did not accuse you of miscommunicating. The miscommunication was you not realizing that I wasn't talking about the same thing you were talking about. I could have spelled that out a lot more clearly apparently.

I'm done with this, it seems neither of us is able to communicate clearly to the other.

[Abriael]

if I'm offended by something someone said to me, then that was an insult. You don't have to have the intent to insult to insult somebody.

It's no matter of intent. It's a simple matter of you confusing "insult" with "offend". They're not the same.

Well, the last time i read your post, and the topic title, it said that you wanted to be able to switch servers at will. therefore essentially server transfers, just without any limitations. I also did not accuse you of miscommunicating. The miscommunication was you not realizing that I wasn't talking about the same thing you were talking about. I could have spelled that out a lot more clearly apparently.

Why exactly would you come to a topic about something to argue against something entirely different that no one proposed or even mentioned?

Looks like the one not realizing something here is you, not me.

Also, you're not transfering servers. Your home server remains the same. Every time you log into the game, you log into your home server of choice. You're just temporarily traveling to a server in order to interact with its community.

[Starlord]

Nope. Whether or not something is an insult is entirely dependent on the objective definition of insult. If someone is offended by me telling them that they have a pimple on their nose, it doesn't mean I'm insulting them.

Looks like a roll reversal here! Remember when you thought I was insulting you or "personal attacking" you and you kept claiming quite of few people " including me" were personally attacking/insulting you. But what I was saying was far from attacking you.

And now when he is insulted by what you said, your saying it wasn't an insult. But he's saying it is.

This is what I don't like.. nitpicking and saying people are insulting people when were not insulting.. So in a way I'm kinda defending you.. and proving my innocence at the same time .

[Abriael]

This is what I don't like.. nitpicking and saying people are insulting people when were not insulting.. So in a way I'm kinda defending you.. and proving my innocence at the same time .

Only, it's not the same situation, because calling someone "butthurt" and the like is objectively a personal attack (and actually an insult too).

I don't remember you ever telling me that I don't know about something. If you ever did, you wouldn't have to worry about me calling it a personal attack. Not knowing something is not objectively negative, whether true or not. Even if it wasn't true, i can simply disprove it with my arguments instead of crying foul.

Now, if we could go back to the topic at hand instead of discussiong the technical difference between insults, personal attacks and offense, it'd be lovely.

I doubt it'll happen, but oh well. Thought I'd ask.