Forum outrage! An explaination?

[Recycler]

Forum outrage? I've seen no forum outrage. This is quite an average MMO forum, tracking it since it launched.

Deal with it. The bloat of redundant arguments stem from people who think they are in some superior position and have to teach others a lesson about it. More than often this is pointless. Learn to stop yourself.

1) If you don't have anything valuable to add, like the first post in the thread (or multiple) which represent your opinion instead of just reposting what others have said. HUGE amounts of redundance and arguments saved.

2) Do not get into pointless arguments with people (refrain from posting "complaints about complaints", "self-elected", "whining", etc.). Keep it technical. HUGE amounts of off-topic, bad-looking threads saved.

3) The moderators will take care of anything else. This is not your job. Use the "report" function if you feel it's necessary, but leave it to that.

There will always be posts of people you think are stupid, dumb, and whatnot. Just like in real life. They are not the problem (as they are a minority), the "problem" are those who don't stick to the points I outlined above.

[ZakarnRosewood]

Outside of Alpha invites I haven't honestly seen or read a thread that struck me as someone just complaining for the sake of complaining, granted I have also never read or heard about this grass thread..

This rationalization of why people are complaining needs to stop honestly though. It all just strikes me as rather tacky.. like an excuse is being invented for why there is so much criticism on these forums.. criticism that to some is just plain old stupid. But guess what.. you aren't the only one with an opinion.. or the only person who wants this game to be great in their own way. A thread about jumping or something of that matter, about something trivial to you, doesn't make it less than any other post. I'm sorry to bare that news but it just doesn't...

There is absolutely no harm in anyone voicing there opinion about anything as long as there is some kind of reasoning behind it.. as long as it's constructive.

Everyone just wants the game to be great.. take a post for what it is. A person voicing their opinion on what they think is great or not so great with the game. Stop trying to lump them into some percentage or call them nostalgic because, to me, that's just a way of trying to devalue a post.

Its not so much the fact that there are complaints as its the content and way its been going about. I've said before i'm all for people voicing concern and providing constructive feedback. But when it's the 10th Thread about gay marriage or jump or any topic for that matter and its the same ideas being thrown around by the same people getting louder and louder, this tells me they dont think they are being heard. Possibly a byproduct of the previous team? I dont know.

It just feels like the sheer volume of posts will make their point heard when it instead gets lost in the flood of pointless posts. I'm even willing to concede that this thread is one of those useless threads but it comes in response to threads that have over 80 pages of posts that could be condensed down to maybe a dozen or so posts when you take out repeated info and personal attacks.

But its just my opinion. This has never in the history of the internet helped anyone see anything from another's point of view, all it does is give someone else the opportunity to speak their mind even louder. At least in my experience, although it is a bit of an exaggeration on my part, i will admit.

[Elexia]

Just wanted to add that people might also be behaving this way to hopefully get someone to let slip some kind of feature from alpha that they dont know from the vids. especially in the case of the quests/combat.

Played WoW, Tera, Rift or any Korean F2P MMO?

[ZakarnRosewood]

Played WoW, Tera, Rift or any Korean F2P MMO?

yup, played WoW, Tera, a bunch of random F2P foreign MMO's that i cant remember the names of. And with each one i accepted them for what they were, not expecting them to have to change for my tastes. Is nice that we have had some input with the redevelopment of this game, i have offered my input but in the end i dont expect them to make it be something I want it to be. I will accept it for what it is and if i like it or not, i wont lose sleep.

[SkyeWindbinder]

I don't know what it is about this thread.. but something about it and the comments contained within strike me as, hmm.. I don't know.. it just seems like there is a major holier-than-thou kind of mentality going on right now, and yes.. I know that's not really the mindset that anyone here has.. or so I hope..

Outside of Alpha invites I haven't honestly seen or read a thread that struck me as someone just complaining for the sake of complaining, granted I have also never read or heard about this grass thread..

This rationalization of why people are complaining needs to stop honestly though. It all just strikes me as rather tacky.. like an excuse is being invented for why there is so much criticism on these forums.. criticism that to some is just plain old stupid. But guess what.. you aren't the only one with an opinion.. or the only person who wants this game to be great in their own way. A thread about jumping or something of that matter, about something trivial to you, doesn't make it less than any other post. I'm sorry to bare that news but it just doesn't...

There is absolutely no harm in anyone voicing there opinion about anything as long as there is some kind of reasoning behind it.. as long as it's constructive.

Everyone just wants the game to be great.. take a post for what it is. A person voicing their opinion on what they think is great or not so great with the game. Stop trying to lump them into some percentage or call them nostalgic because, to me, that's just a way of trying to devalue a post.

At least a thread about grass, as silly as even I might think it is, pertains to the game and adds some kind of value. This thread just serves to deconstruct posts and the people who make them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vBesOFURek

[TrystWildkey]

There will always be posts of people you think are stupid, dumb, and whatnot. Just like in real life. They are not the problem (as they are a minority), the "problem" are those who don't stick to the points I outlined above.

This is my opinion on why threads like this one exist. Though these people may in fact be a minority, they're a very vocal minority. Using a bullhorn to announce their desires and then using an even louder bullhorn to complain when their desires are not met according to their expectations. It's left me with a bad taste in my mouth for the forums and why I don't really read a lot of threads anymore. (Which unfortunately, leaves this minority seeming like the majority)

Meh.

[NoctisXZ]

The problem with this type of thread is very simple. You're over thinking it..

This is just the way things are truthfully. In every forum that's easily accessible you are bound to see the things you've discussed. It's completely rational to see the same topics popping up for two main reasons.. for one threads tend to get lost in the fray. Half of the time the person starting a thread that's already been done is because they just haven't seen it.. secondly.. when you think about it.. if you had something you thought was extremely thought out and reasonable it's much easier to be heard when you create a new thread as opposed to being poster number #64 in one that's already been created.

It's all a part of life.. you're going to see these things just because of the way people are. I don't even know why people have problems with the same threads popping up.. if they aren't a hot topic issue or add anything of value they're going to get lost fast.. and if it's just a bunch of people posting one liners or links to a video, because they might think it's witty and cool, the moderators will take care of that if they see fit..

We aren't discussing Astrophysics.. we're discussing a game. And with that I've said what I had to say. Hopefully this thread will die out now because the general tone is of belittlement and superiority.

[Recycler]

Though these people may in fact be a minority, they're a very vocal minority.

They aren't as vocal as you might think. They appear to be very vocal because a lot of people respond to them. If there is little echo, they calm down.

That's why I tried to explain that the people who continually feed them with responses are making up the actual problem. If there wasn't such a huge "you fanboi / you self-entitled / gtfo / grass?! wtf" echo plus redundant arguments every second page, the "bad" threads would disappear within hours.

[Zumi]

Forum rage comes from the fact that a lot of people on here have only played FFXI and FFXIV as their only MMOs and either want FFXIV 2.0 to be FFXI HD or stay how 1.0 is and are afraid of changes or modernization of FFXIV. There is some people who hate the archtypical WoW type MMO who want FFXIV to have nothing in common with that game.

Here the most common things people like to rage about:

1. Jumping - A lot of ragers hate jumping well because it wasn't in FFXI and WoW has it. They think their game is so realistic that people shouldn't be jumping, ragers like to use their own buzz words like 'bunny hopping'

2. Grass and other background graphics - This one I don't understand guess people love nit picking over the smallest things.

3. Backpedaling and Strafing - Standard MMO movement, people seem to rage on this because they once again don't like the animation or play with the controller and others don't like the idea they could be at a disadvantage compared to KB+Mouse users.

4. Regional Servers - A lot of rage came out on this topic because a lot of FFXI players liked the world server set up, now that servers will have a lable on them people some people fear they won't get to play with all their friends from the world. While others are like the idea due to the fact they will have less lag and play with people who speak their language.

5. Faster Battle Pace - A lot of rage on this is because once again FFXI players were use to hitting 1 WS when their TP hit 100 and prefered the slower pace of combat that was in FFXI and FFXIV. Ragers on this topic like to throw out words like they are making the game 'a spam fest'. Most modern MMOs are much faster paced then FFXI and FFXIV.

6. Removal of character animation. A lot of fluff animation was removed, I.E. starting and stoping animation in favor of a more cleaned up and smoother animation. There is a lot of rage about this because its a change and some people liked the all the character animation that was in 1.0

7. Questing as a form of exping - So much rage when SE released questing videos. Some FFXI purists don't like quest based leveling because they grinded lots of jobs in exp parties and did the same thing in FFXIV and think everyone should do it, reasoning ranging from it helps people learn their job to they make friends on the server will doing exp groups. Solo based quest leveling has become a staple of MMOs once again this was set by WoW and a lot of former FFXI players can't stand this. As it stands the general MMO playing population much perfers quest based leveling over grinding.

8. Quest tracker and helper - So much rage came out again this time due to the fact SE showed they added a quest tracker. Ragers kept saying things like 'holding peoples hands', 'babymode' 'making the game to easy'. When in reality quest tracking is a useability feature to make quest based exping go faster and is in every modern MMO. Usually quest tracking can be turned off with a toggle in the menu UI however that isn't good enough for most ragers because if you give the player an easier option they will take it. FFXI gave very little directions in their quest once 1 person figured it out it was usually posted on FFXIclopedia where the majority of the playerbase looked at to figure out how to do their quests.

9. Cross Server Content Finder (dungeon/raid finder) - A lot of rage came out because of this. Ragers argued that it would once again make the game too easy "they lose their special snowflake status if casual gamers could get into raids easy and get gear that was once accessible to the hardcore", they think lose a sense of server community, they don't want to play with strangers from other servers. This feature was invented by Blizzard in WoW and since then copied by a lot of MMOs thus once again a lot of hate since it was originally a WoW feature.

10. Gay Marriage - Weird that this comes up in a video game.

I am sure there are many more raged filled topics but these are the ones I see that stand out.

[strallaalaa]

mostly it's people who had bad times in mmo's (i want casual, i hate grinds, i want what i pay for, blah blah)
and the minority, bring back what mmo's used to be, want more depth, want want want (<<me lol)
then theres just the nit picking of every little thing in the game though this probably will give devs more ideas then anything since they already have chosen what path they are going sadly and the smaller things are what they can remove and add.

ohh and don't forget that half you tards i wouldn't be surprised are the workers for SE helping push the game in the direction you want. fuk off and get out lol.

personally my threads and anything i say in other threads usually gets avoided and ignored lmao, so if you don't like the threads just do that. i for one like coming here when bored and since i'm only playing black ops 2 and i get killed every 5seconds and bored after a few games i come to these forums a lot lolol.

and since i strongly want a big company like SE to make me a hardcore old school mmo like ffxi again i will keep, loudly saying so. it's all i want and it's not like there is a forum for there upcoming new mmo that is secretly in the works yet. this is it, so they will hear me or ignore me but there failed ffxiv will allow me to come back here one last time to say i told you so. naaner naaner. no one again will ever think of a mmo as anything more then a throw away with a monthly any more and cya later