Dev's You better answer!

[Kyri]

The Op has a valid question. Though it could have been asked a bit more respectfully 3 pages of "Q Q more OP!" is equally rude. Yes I know your tired of people whining about not getting in but it's not a excuse to put your troll hat on.

To the OP:
If it makes you feel better 7 yrs on ffxi didn't get me a beta or alpha into this game when it came out. I was a bit upset when it seemed my friends in xi who logged on once every 6 months seemed to get invited and I didn't but what happened is I "played" this game and all those XI friends who tried the alpha and beta were so turned off by them they wouldn't give it a chance when it came out. So maybe, I was the lucky one.

Second side note
I do feel its dumb to give betas to quit players vs actives if that's true. The majority of unactives I know not only didn't want to play anymore they wanted to play something else. F- their invites, they can stay where ever they ended up imo.

[MicahZerrshia]

The Op has a valid question. Though it could have been asked a bit more respectfully 3 pages of "Q Q more OP!" is equally rude. Yes I know your tired of people whining about not getting in but it's not a excuse to put your troll hat on.

To the OP:
If it makes you feel better 7 yrs on ffxi didn't get me a beta or alpha into this game when it came out. I was a bit upset when it seemed my friends in xi who logged on once every 6 months seemed to get invited and I didn't but what happened is I "played" this game and all those XI friends who tried the alpha and beta were so turned off by them they wouldn't give it a chance when it came out. So maybe, I was the lucky one.

Second side note
I do feel its dumb to give betas to quit players vs actives if that's true. The majority of unactives I know not only didn't want to play anymore they wanted to play something else. F- their invites, they can stay where ever they ended up imo.

It's not dumb at all. In fact its good business.

You want to attract people that either do not play or people that used to play because you know, no matter how much they rage, the active players are still going to play and forget all about their anger once they get started. If you loose a couple, well you loose a couple because that is inevitable but the amount of players you gain from targeting the non-active audience is going to be larger creating more NEW subscriptions.

[Kyri]

It's not dumb at all. In fact its good business.

You want to attract people that either do not play or people that used to play because you know, no matter how much they rage, the active players are still going to play and forget all about their anger once they get started. If you loose a couple, well you loose a couple because that is inevitable but the amount of players you gain from targeting the non-active audience is going to be larger creating more NEW subscriptions.

Valid point I agree with yes, but I still don't like it. It's kinda like school all over where your friend just pushed you in the mud trying to impress some other kid to hang out with him instead, haha.

Also they aren't technically new subscriptions The op is talking about unactive XIV players . They would be old players who are just as likely to jump off the bandwagon again 3 months down the road. Granted some left for lack of content but I would rather please and keep the people who log on everyday then add 3 people in his place who will only play 2-3 months.

[Abriael]

OMG Your stupid.

And you don't know the difference between "you're" and "your".

It's not dumb at all. In fact its good business.

You want to attract people that either do not play or people that used to play because you know, no matter how much they rage, the active players are still going to play and forget all about their anger once they get started. If you loose a couple, well you loose a couple because that is inevitable but the amount of players you gain from targeting the non-active audience is going to be larger creating more NEW subscriptions.

May want to know something about business before stating that something is good or bad business.

If someone ditched an incomplete game, you don't invite him to experience a massively incomplete incarnation of a new game.

Inviting inactive accounts to an early alpha testing doesn't make the slightest sense, as the advertising power of the current alpha is very limited, and is most likely to actually have the opposite effect on people used to complete games. That kind of accounts is suitable to be invited during a late beta, when most elements are already in place.

This, of course, without mentioning the fact that explicitly stating a rule and then not honoring it is a rather large marketing blunder.

[Lurex]

And you don't know the difference between "you're" and "your".



May want to know something about business before stating that something is good or bad business.

If someone ditched an incomplete game, you don't invite him to experience a massively incomplete incarnation of a new game.

Inviting inactive accounts to an early alpha testing doesn't make the slightest sense, as the advertising power of the current alpha is very limited, and is most likely to actually have the opposite effect on people used to complete games. That kind of accounts is suitable to be invited during a late beta, when most elements are already in place.

This, of course, without mentioning the fact that explicitly stating a rule and then not honoring it is a rather large marketing blunder.

I completely agree, who would be better to give feedback than one who has completed ffxiv on many different levels. Look at myself for example, I leveled EVERYTHING. I would certainly have a lot of feedback to offer about 2.0, and I would happily do it, because I want the game to succeed.

[Escad]

Please stop complain about this annoying theme. You all speak about the alpha as it would be completely normal to get invited to it!
In an alpha test you invite only some peoples that meet some points. Maybe you got the same GFX card like 99999 others? So you could get sorted out so SE get the chance to test out other users with different GFX cards maybe?
This is an alpha NOT a beta. It is normal to NOT get invited to an alpha, and not to get invited to it!
Or do you always complain when you don't win the jackpot?
And beside that SE DON'T need to respond you in this thread since it is their product and they have the rights to invite whoever they want to.

[Elexia]

Please stop complain about this annoying theme. You all speak about the alpha as it would be completely normal to get invited to it!
In an alpha test you invite only some peoples that meet some points.

Inactive accounts that meet the requirements doesn't meet the requirement of needing to be an active FFXIV account holder in order to even fill out an application.

For kicks I did it with one of my inactive accounts from 1.0 alpha and beta, was able to no problem. Beta is when he mentions active/legacy accounts he'll try to get in but well, we know the opposite will happen since beta is a good advertisement grounds and a state to try to win people over.

They know they'll get the small playerbase from 1.0 back easily, so it's not really them who they care about in the long run.

[Abriael]

Please stop complain about this annoying theme. You all speak about the alpha as it would be completely normal to get invited to it!

If this theme annoys you, why do you read the threads dedicated to it?

Complaining about complaints and all that...

It is normal to NOT get invited to an alpha, and not to get invited to it!

What is not normal is explicitly setting a requirement for application and then not honoring it.

[MicahZerrshia]

And you don't know the difference between "you're" and "your".

May want to know something about business before stating that something is good or bad business.

If someone ditched an incomplete game, you don't invite him to experience a massively incomplete incarnation of a new game.

Inviting inactive accounts to an early alpha testing doesn't make the slightest sense, as the advertising power of the current alpha is very limited, and is most likely to actually have the opposite effect on people used to complete games. That kind of accounts is suitable to be invited during a late beta, when most elements are already in place.

This, of course, without mentioning the fact that explicitly stating a rule and then not honoring it is a rather large marketing blunder.

derp. It looks like Im not the one in need of business classes...oh wait I already took all those

This whole thread smells of something...bitter

[Abriael]

derp. It looks like Im not the one in need of business classes...oh wait I already took all those

Really? If those "business classes" (lemonade kiosk 101?) taught you that it's a good idea to try and lure back in those that quit an incomplete product with an even less complete product, you may want to ask for your money back.

You've been scammed.

maybe they want those who quit to help tweek the mmo rather then those who are still here and might still help destroy it.

Only that those that "destroyed" the old game all work for Square Enix. The audience had no infuence in it.

It's amazing how some people grasp desperately at totally unrealistic straws in order to try and defend a ridiculous decision under every point of view.