Back Paddling is horrible.

[pool842]

Well, this isn't really a matter of back pedaling is useless and it should be removed, its more about:
wait, back pedaling comes in as the default movement?
wasn't back pedaling featured in 1.0 already without meddling with basic movement?
did we have a problem with the original method which was employed in both XIV and XI with not a single complaint?




ask yourself, what do you do more often:
turn around, or back pedal?

it should be pretty clear which action should be default and which triggered by an extra button.

The problem with movement in 1.0 is that when you did run backward the game camera did not follow you fast enough and there is no way the camera ever could with out confusing you... Hence the back peddling with complete control of the camera is needed. you don't back peddle if you you don;t need to you turn the damn camera lol.... wow... also as a caster being able to kite sideways while facing forward without, your character turning all the way around is a big deal that's how you survive. If they introduce pvp you will see what I mean. In fact I may put a video on here showing the difference later. Back peddling is to make sure you can face forward while still moving. As a melee it may not be that big of deal but as caster its a really big deal. It comes natural if you know how to use your camera.. there does not have to be a toggle switch or button. just learn the controls of your character... why add more shit to take care of when you don't need to?

[Coyohma]

Why do I have this sense that if it were different, or Yoshida had said that it should be changed to be more free, that certain people would have a very different opinion on the subject?

[VitoScaletta]

I'm definitely going to wait until at least beta before drawing conclusions on movement. They may add more features to customize it. I for one hope they bring back the XI way, lock=backpeddle unlock=turn and run. Backpeddling seems to fit the current engine though, archers having a conal attack etc. They want people to not be running from the fight it seems.

[Majidah]

Somewhere around the road this thread was turned into gamepad vs keyboard+mouse.

This thread is about back pedaling.
The setups for just keyboard, and just gamepad haven't been released yet, so there's only room for speculation.

What we can say for a fact, however, is the following:
-1.0 had a system that involved back pedaling without meddling with normal movement and no one ever complained.
-Turning around happens more often than having to back pedal.
-In moments of haste (running away from a special attack for example) you'll want to turn around, not back pedal.

Let me underline that.
What do you do more often? Turn around.
When there's no time to think, do you want to turn around or back pedal? Turn around.

Yet we are switching to a system that makes turning around more cumbersome than back pedaling. That makes no sense.

Don't try to reinvent the wheel. Or copy Blizzard's wheel.

[Neptune]

To whoever said mages should be glad about backpedaling, let me tell you, it is much better if you have to run away by running at full speed backwards vs. @backpedal speed backwards. One is adventurous and the other is ridiculous.

[pool842]

Somewhere around the road this thread was turned into gamepad vs keyboard+mouse.

This thread is about back pedaling.
The setups for just keyboard, and just gamepad haven't been released yet, so there's only room for speculation.

What we can say for a fact, however, is the following:
-1.0 had a system that involved back pedaling without meddling with normal movement and no one ever complained.
-Turning around happens more often than having to back pedal.
-In moments of haste (running away from a special attack for example) you'll want to turn around, not back pedal.

Let me underline that.
What do you do more often? Turn around.
When there's no time to think, do you want to turn around or back pedal? Turn around.

Yet we are switching to a system that makes turning around more cumbersome than back pedaling. That makes no sense.

Don't try to reinvent the wheel. Or copy Blizzard's wheel.

So your saying the same thing yet you have no idea what your talking about great I guess I am done here. Yes you won't back peddle... YOU WILL USE YOUR CAMERA TO TURN....

[Neptune]

So your saying the same thing yet you have no idea what your talking about great I guess I am done here. Yes you won't back peddle... YOU WILL USE YOUR CAMERA TO TURN....

It's just not the same. It's not classy. Wait til you try to look around your character. You will feel like you're crudely trying to carve out camera angles, where before it was smooth as butter.

[Zelminar]

So your saying the same thing yet you have no idea what your talking about great I guess I am done here. Yes you won't back peddle... YOU WILL USE YOUR CAMERA TO TURN....

Maji is referring to the fact that you WILL have to resort to turning via the mouse or pressing the "A"/"D" keys. When in FFXIV v1 is was as simple as pressing "S" to make your 180 degree turn. Quick and easy.

Now I completely agree with Maji on this matter, however, it seems to be something we'll need to get used to and see what comes of it.

PS. Ummm Maji knows what he's talking about (bring it! POST #1! BRING IT!)

I'm more interested in seeing HOW they implement this scheme to gamepad.

[pool842]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6cGArJavcQ

its not about making a 180 turn its about making any turn you need with almost no adjustment which a mouse does. watch this video they are kind of annoying but you can see how the camera is used and i wish they had the same type of movement in 1.0... here is hoping for 2.0 lol. I know final fantasy is not wow but I still want the same freedom of movement and reaction times with my character.

[ispano]

I actually disliked that the only way to back pedal was to be locked on, which also restricted camera and normal movement. Instantly swapping directions with a single press of a key/stick bothered me more.

And to Neptune, what drugs are you on? Getting a camera angle on your character is simple with a mouse only.