Level Progression/Questing

[Gramul]

As opposed to "Kill X monsters until you're high level enough to get this quest, then kill Y mobs for this quest until Z item drops"? Or let's not forget the ever important, "to get access A you must complete quest B several dozen times". The good games are not going to have this disconnect between leveling and questing.

More like "Escort this guy without letting him see you" or "dress up this way for a client" or "Please convince this girl to love me by choosing what line I should write here" or "wear this hat around town to advertise my store".

You know, things that might not have to do with killing or delivering. For once.

I don't really see the "being satisfied" as an excuse. Half the time, when I beat something in FFXI, I thought to myself "about damn time." Yes, there was a challenge, but to say that games like World of Warcraft don't have challenges simply because leveling up isn't one of them is silly. I never understood why simply gaining levels in FFXI is seen as some sort of accomplishment...it was just time consuming.

Well like I said, it depends on the style of gameplay you prefer. Some people like to progress quickly while some like the slower approach. It's a matter of taste.

[Wolfie]

More like "Escort this guy without letting him see you" or "dress up this way for a client" or "Please convince this girl to love me by choosing what line I should write here" or "wear this hat around town to advertise my store".

You know, things that might not have to do with killing or delivering. For once.

So are you saying that these quests are impossible in MMOs that have quest-based leveling?

[Gramul]

So are you saying that these quests are impossible in MMOs that have quest-based leveling?

No. And I hope XIV has those types as well, but you just don't see them very often in themepark MMOs these days. It's all a minor variation on the Kill X of Y / Gather X of Z / Deliver A quests. That why I have concern over it. I don't think gameplay variety in quests is something to be shunned just because we have a standard mechanism.

[Wolfie]

No. And I hope XIV has those types as well, but you just don't see them very often in themepark MMOs these days. It's all a minor variation on the Kill X of Y / Gather X of Z / Deliver A quests. That why I have concern over it. I don't think gameplay variety in quests is something to be shunned just because we have a standard mechanism.

Sorry, but no. I can't vouch for other 'themepark MMOs' that I've played, but at least in WOW and Aion you had a fairly large list of cool and unique quests, quests that didn't involve killing, and long epic quests and quest chains. You are literally complaining out of ignorance.

[Gramul]

I can't vouch for other 'themepark MMOs' that I've played, but at least in WOW and Aion you had a fairly large list of cool and unique quests, quests that didn't involve killing, and long epic quests and quest chains.

This is why I was speaking of Themepark MMO's in general. I've played tons of them including WoW and Aion, but in general, the ones that play off of WoW's style recreate only the basic 3. That's why I said "you don't see them very often" and not "you never see them".

GW2 has all those.

~Examples~

I can keep going but ppl should stop talking if they only tries just 5% of what current mainstream MMO has to offer. The current chain quests has deeply evolved into something fun, challenging, and immersing.

Idk if SE can pull it off, but GW2 did.

And I'd be elated to have that.