Alpha Video 4- Quests and Battle

[Wolfie]

This is why i am not even interested in Alpha because it will be filled with so many stupid FFXI fanboys on the forums that cant move away from their archaic thinking, i will wait for Beta where people that normally doesn't give a flying fk about FFXIV will give an actual good feedback on how to attract them not this hobos that will keep playing regardless of how this game turns out.

I'm actually kind of glad Yoshi said that they're not likely to do much more than stress test and resolve critical bugs in the Alpha, instead of design changes. If they do design changes based on the feedback of people like Preypacer, this game will be dead in another year or two.

[KiriA500]

I'm actually kind of glad Yoshi said that they're not likely to do much more than stress test and resolve critical bugs in the Alpha, instead of design changes. If they do design changes based on the feedback of people like Preypacer, this game will be dead in another year or two.

No, it would just be identical to the game we all played a decade ago.

[Phe]

No, it would just be identical to the game we all played a decade ago.

instead we're getting a game like the one people started to play 8 years ago.

[Preypacer]

I'm actually kind of glad Yoshi said that they're not likely to do much more than stress test and resolve critical bugs in the Alpha, instead of design changes. If they do design changes based on the feedback of people like Preypacer, this game will be dead in another year or two.

Annnd... what feedback is that, exactly, Wolfie?

You mean the feedback that I'd prefer to have a well-written quest give me adequate information on what I need to do and some hints on whereabouts I'll need to do it - and then leave me to do the rest myself without the hand-holding?

You mean the feedback that I'd rather be the one actively engaged in locating/solving/completing the quest objective(s) - however simple - rather than having every single detail pointed out to the extent that I don't have to read a word of the quest dialog, don't have to know what I'm after or why I should care?

You mean because I want to actually be given some role in my character's progression beyond "running toward the floating quest objective markers that are impossible to miss", or maybe actually be challenged in some way, rather than having everything spoon-fed to me because the powers-that-be at SE think I'm too stupid, lazy or impatient to figure it out on my own?

That's the "feedback" you feel would have the game dead in 2 years? Taking off the training wheels, cutting the umbilical cord and letting us actually -gasp- fulfill the challenges issued to us.. on our own?

Would that kind of gameplay, being more involved in actually solving the tasks given to you, scare you off, Wolfie? Is that the real issue you have here? Note that I'm asking you a question here. I'm not making an assertion.

If that's the case, and people truly do prefer being coddled and having their hands held through even the most menial and mundane of tasks - lest they be "scared off" by having to figure things out for themselves - then perhaps SE is right and players really are just that stupid, lazy or impatient.

It's funny (but not at all surprising) that of all the people refuting my posts, either directly or indirectly, in this thread and another on the same topic, there's been only one or two people who have actually responded to what I said. Their responses - while divergent from my own views - have been reasonable and relevant. Everyone else, yourself included, has ignored or otherwise twisted it out of context into some ridiculous strawman, just so they could tear it down.

But then I guess that's typical around here, isn't it. Someone makes an argument you don't like but can't adequately refute on its own merits? No problem! Just twist their arguments into something else that you can refute and then rip it to shreds.

[Meatdawg]

This is why i am not even interested in Alpha because it will be filled with so many stupid FFXI fanboys on the forums that cant move away from their archaic thinking, i will wait for Beta where people that normally doesn't give a flying fk about FFXIV will give an actual good feedback on how to attract them not this hobos that will keep playing regardless of how this game turns out.

but the grass!

[Chardrizard]

but the grass!

and the unrealistic tents.

[Wolfie]

and the unrealistic tents.

And the jumping. Let's not forget that in real life, people can't jump.

[Velhart]

This is why i am not even interested in Alpha because it will be filled with so many stupid FFXI fanboys on the forums that cant move away from their archaic thinking, i will wait for Beta where people that normally doesn't give a flying fk about FFXIV will give an actual good feedback on how to attract them not this hobos that will keep playing regardless of how this game turns out.

Very spot on here. I have seen several threads appear complaining about basic MMO concepts that are standard and in my opinion, "necessary", to make a great MMO. I also feel that the only real good feedback we will get with the mechanics are people who are familiar with a wide variety of other MMO's besides FFXI.

I'm sure more constructive feedback will be presented to the team besides "Jumping will destroy the game!", "Why do I have to back pedal?", or "Well in FFXI, they did this....".

[Andrien]

Only on the FFXIV boards can you see people arguing FOR making quests and storylines less accessible, and the game more bland.

You're absolutely right. The arguments over these things makes me feel embarrassed to be part of the community.

[Imoen]

Guys, don't forget you can change class/ job on the fly. So standard quests like this won't be nearly as bad as wow, where you finish a character >>> make a new one >>> run through the same exact quests again (assuming a lot of these are one time quests forcing you to find an alternative to leveling by your 2nd/3rd job).

Also I doubt all of them will be this basic (as said before these are filler exp quests) . Most quests consist of walk here > talk to blah> talk to blah > kill / retrieve something> walk back get reward. Just because its presented in an easy to understand and find format doesn't change this fact. Walking around aimlessly for hours looking for a vaguely described npc from a journal is hardly using your brain in my book.