FFXIV: ARR's fishing system changes

[wind]

Ya LlenCoram,

I understand the concept of what you mean by fishing rooting you to the game because combat(and your full list) seems boring to you. But in that regard, has none of the other non-combat related content interested you at all? I mean there will be choco-raising, housing/expanding, gardening, w/e games Saucer brings, etc..

I guess what I'm trying to say is, it would suck for you to already throw in the towel because you're losing one of the reasons you play. Without trying any of new things that could potentially root you to the game as well.

Its hard for me to truly put myself in your shoes because I don't think I had anything that "rooted" me to the game. Sadly, I just kinda played to play while pleading with everyone who quit after a month to come back lol .

[LlenCoram]

Ya LlenCoram,

I understand the concept of what you mean by fishing rooting you to the game because combat seems boring to you. But in that regard, has none of the other non-combat related content interested you at all? I mean there will be choco-raising, housing/expanding, gardening, w/e games Saucer brings, etc..

I guess what I'm trying to say is, it would suck for you to already throw in the towel because you're losing one of the reasons you play. Without trying any of new things that could potentially root you to the game as well.

Its hard for me to truly put myself in your shoes because I don't think I had anything that "rooted" me to the game. Sadly, I just kinda played to play while pleading with everyone who quit after a month to come back lol .

Definitely, and I understand what you mean. I absolutely love this game, and I love my character quite a lot. The changes that we've seen, plus what we haven't seen, have me beyond excited, and I will absolutely try it out. That is what hurts me the most though; I want to love this game, and I'd like to continue playing it for years to come. One of the things I'm looking forward to the most is being able to buy my own house near the beach in Limsa. I can't wait to answer a linkshell call to tackle an NM and be able to ride in on my trusty chocobo Kwefka, leap off of him, and pull my two pistols on the NM, ready for action. I'm beyond anxious to play this game.

But I still want to fish. I will be trying the game, but I know how I work. Withought fishing to tie me to the game, there will be many instances of me logging in and not wanting to do anything. In the past, I almost always wanted to fish. You have no idea how much that hurts me too, because I love Yoshi and what he's done. Just don't take my fishing.

[Zetsumei_Tsunarashi]

One potentially new thing that wasn't mentioned is the elusive card game that we can't seem to get any info on. I can see myself being completely absorbed into that.

~carry on with fishing related discussions >.>

[Akubikumo]

Just keep in mind that even if we dont like what they come up with this time: this is an mmo, they can always make adjustments later. If enough of us are vocal about it, we might just get what we want...nothing is set in stone around here so lets just keep an open mind come beta. who knows? we may end up loving it.

[HiirNoivl]

In his video with PC Gamer, Yoshida says:

"But of course, because the foundation of the game is going to be changed, some players may feel some parts were better in the original. To them I say "We managed to rehaul the world! Thanks to your support." And I will ask, 'what do you think? Are you enjoying it?' And if they say 'no, I don't like it," then I will listen to them and promise to upgrade and always make sure we are matching expectations. That's what I will always do. i will talk to the players directly and in an honest way."

Due to the previous players poll, his decision on the gathering changes seems baffling. Perhaps he wanted to make gathering a side job because that's what all the other MMOs were doing and he wanted to emulate that. From his comments, he will let us play it this way and then ask again, maybe in another player's poll, "Do you like it? Are you enjoying the game?"

After that, he says he will listen.

I think then we will have our voices heard and if we play the game and we still don't like gathering system then it will change, will be made better. For now. I think that we should try to give feedback and give suggestions on the current system planned for ARR, whether we're in Beta or not.

Who knows? Maybe we'll end up creating something entirely new.

At this point, it is easy to think that "They don't care about gathering, look what they did!" But the interview I found it reassuring that he is already considering that some of the changes were disliked. He's not changing it now, but it doesn't mean that we are ignored. So I'm glad he expressed that.

It seems at this time that he is willing to overhaul as much as he has to to keep gamers happy. He says he "will always do that". I really like that he said that, and so I'll dig my hope out of the dumpster now...

Thanks, Yoshi P

[LlenCoram]

In his video with PC Gamer, Yoshida says:

"But of course, because the foundation of the game is going to be changed, some players may feel some parts were better in the original. To them I say "We managed to rehaul the world! Thanks to your support." And I will ask, 'what do you think? Are you enjoying it?' And if they say 'no, I don't like it," then I will listen to them and promise to upgrade and always make sure we are matching expectations. That's what I will always do. i will talk to the players directly and in an honest way."

Due to the previous players poll, his decision on the gathering changes seems baffling. Perhaps he wanted to make gathering a side job because that's what all the other MMOs were doing and he wanted to emulate that. From his comments, he will let us play it this way and then ask again, maybe in another player's poll, "Do you like it? Are you enjoying the game?"

After that, he says he will listen.

I think then we will have our voices heard and if we play the game and we still don't like gathering system then it will change, will be made better. For now. I think that we should try to give feedback and give suggestions on the current system planned for ARR, whether we're in Beta or not.

Who knows? Maybe we'll end up creating something entirely new.

At this point, it is easy to think that "They don't care about gathering, look what they did!" But the interview I found it reassuring that he is already considering that some of the changes were disliked. He's not changing it now, but it doesn't mean that we are ignored. So I'm glad he expressed that.

It seems at this time that he is willing to overhaul as much as he has to to keep gamers happy. He says he "will always do that". I really like that he said that, and so I'll dig my hope out of the dumpster now...

Thanks, Yoshi P

I really hope then that he follows through, and that we can muster the same support we've seen in these two threads again. Or rather, I hope all my fears are completely unfounded and that I actually fall in love with the new fishing, and a change isn't necessary. I'd still really like some sort of word from the devs, patting my head and telling me everything will be alright. So far they've been wonderfully transparent with most of the mechanics in ARR, so I can't figure out why fishing remains this big mystery.

[Akubikumo]

I really hope then that he follows through, and that we can muster the same support we've seen in these two threads again. Or rather, I hope all my fears are completely unfounded and that I actually fall in love with the new fishing, and a change isn't necessary. I'd still really like some sort of word from the devs, patting my head and telling me everything will be alright. So far they've been wonderfully transparent with most of the mechanics in ARR, so I can't figure out why fishing remains this big mystery.

Transparent to a point...but...I cant help but feel like they're holding back a LOT of secrets. Maybe its just wishful on my part but there's still a lot of unanswered and unexplored questions. Im just gonna try my best to wipe my mind of 1.0 and see if i cant find a way to like it. After all, I hated it the first 20 levels. But I kept going back to it, thinking about it, and finally fell in love with it. Could happen again.

[LlenCoram]

I updated the OP to reflect the new translation from the live letter.

[javid]

I'm looking forward to the new lures and baits; I really hope this time around they will make the choice of bait very very fish (fish smaller category) specific. Or have certain choice produce higher yields/faster yields of a certain group of fishes. In 1.xx Though vesper sent all that time compiling that chart; and the "disciples of land" had their data; most baits could be used for all catches in one of the two given categories (salt water/ fresh water). Of course this to the feel of redudance of the various options we had to choose from. ....I could remember before 1.2ish how Phurbles were extremely rare to come by; and to have a snurble fly made you a unique fisher!! Nevertheless that fly fair only to catch crayfish effectively....rarest lure catch the most common fish /facepalm.

[LlenCoram]

I'm looking forward to the new lures and baits; I really hope this time around they will make the choice of bait very very fish (fish smaller category) specific. Or have certain choice produce higher yields/faster yields of a certain group of fishes. In 1.xx Though vesper sent all that time compiling that chart; and the "disciples of land" had their data; most baits could be used for all catches in one of the two given categories (salt water/ fresh water). Of course this to the feel of redudance of the various options we had to choose from. ....I could remember before 1.2ish how Phurbles were extremely rare to come by; and to have a snurble fly made you a unique fisher!! Nevertheless that fly fair only to catch crayfish effectively....rarest lure catch the most common fish /facepalm.

From what we know so far, there will be both different lures/bait as well as different rods. Temperature of the water and the weather will affect fishing as well.

It remains to be seen. I'm hoping for the best but preparing for the worst. I'm really curious how they'll do multiple rods however... I worked my tail off to get my Luminary Rod, I'd like to continue being able to show it off on my back.