What I expect of Black Mage/ Thaumaturgy in 2.0

[Jinrya-Geki]

That's not a good way to deal with that kind of problem. I like magic, but look at the classes that deal with it. Only two, soon to be 3. It's not much of a choice.

That's forcing, and only that classes have incentive to raise other classes. Playing as a job does not.

[Jinrya-Geki]

But that's still a difference between one class to 35 to gain ability for another class, and raising a class to 50 to play as it.

I can understand the first choice, cause moves like chameleon are awesome. But making a fight so that certains jobs not optimal and focing me to play as a job I don't want is not cool at all.

Like Nyzul in FFXI, I was forced to play as Dragoon, so that I could go in there to get only one thing I wanted which was Brave Blade for Atonement for Paladin. I don't want to do that again. I want to focus on one thing and be good at it, not a jack-of-all trades and master of none.

[NoctisUmbra]

That's understandable, and I agree. Unfortunately it's pretty impossible to prevent community trends that lead to stacking jobs, but by better design they certainly can make it more accessible by every job.

[Shurrikhan]

So, what are you guys looking for in the job, really, other than balance and greater diversity of spells usable? Greater long-term strategy? A more interesting ability-flow? And in what ways?

[Jinrya-Geki]

Comboing different spells together. Example will be an iron giant.

You use fire spells over and over, the iron giant becomes a vibrating red, hit him with a powerful ice spell and you just rapid cooled metal, making it temporarily immobile.

Best part of it? Black Mage would have an interesting way to enfeeble, while not actually using the spell, allowing other jobs to carry the enfeeble spells themselves.

[Rubicon]

You use fire spells over and over, the iron giant becomes a vibrating red, hit him with a powerful ice spell and you just rapid cooled metal, making it temporarily immobile.

Honestly, if ARR doesn't have boss fight elements like this (not all but some and probably the most memorable fights) then they are already screwing up.

[Shurrikhan]

Comboing different spells together. Example will be an iron giant.

You use fire spells over and over, the iron giant becomes a vibrating red, hit him with a powerful ice spell and you just rapid cooled metal, making it temporarily immobile.

Best part of it? Black Mage would have an interesting way to enfeeble, while not actually using the spell, allowing other jobs to carry the enfeeble spells themselves.

Love it, as I think I've mentioned before. Well, this would certainly make fire and ice more useful in combat, but how about the actual amount of spells? Do you still want to be using primarily just Tier I spells, and "combo-ing" up the tiers occasionally? Would rather not use tiers? What kind of tactical differences should there be between tiers? (Certainly not just AoE / ST, even if certain patterns (each with progression of spells) would obviously suit one or the other better.)

[NoctisUmbra]

I like the way tiers are setup now with lower tiers comboing to higher ones, however... And this is a big however... They should allow combos between elements while going up the tiers, each with unique combo bonuses. Like:

Thunder - Thundara
Thunder - Fira
Fire - Blizarra - Thundaga

These should all lead to different combo bonuses depending on what the prior spell was.

[Shurrikhan]

I like the way tiers are setup now with lower tiers comboing to higher ones, however... And this is a big however... They should allow combos between elements while going up the tiers, each with unique combo bonuses. Like:

Thunder - Thundara
Thunder - Fira
Fire - Blizarra - Thundaga

These should all lead to different combo bonuses depending on what the prior spell was.

In locked combos, or each with unique basic (but therefore versatile) additions? Would each have unique factor calculations as well, or should even calculations and the unique additions be enough?

What would be a full list of the ways in which (in your mind) higher tiers would differ from lower tiers, spell-by-spell or in general?

[Allesasi]

Lets get RDM or SCH already so everyone can be happy!!!!!!!!!!!