[Dev] Overtaxation of PC Hardware

[Ilean]

For instance, using Direct3d 10 (the 3D API of DirectX10) as opposed to DX9, using geometry within a shader, instancing, swapping textures at the GPU as opposed to the CPU would all cause less heat in your PC...
I can't possibly stress enough the fact that heat is the #1 enemy of your PC.... Heat governs how fast and stable our processors can run, and also factors heavily into the lifespan of every component

Yes "overtaxation" is not the best name for what's happening, but it's in the thread title... deal with it... its not that big an issue.... we could call it Shabooboojibbery and it doesn't change what is going on inside your PC and the name is hardly worth arguing over

But what if they optimized the engine? Say you would get 10 FPS more... unless your hardware is clearing 60fps it will still be at 100%.

No matter how you look at it, temperature is between you and your hardware, try getting a better case, installing water cooling, underclocking, lowering game resolution, etc..

BTW I was just playing with game settings. Dropping general drawing quality from 8 to 5, background drawing from 3 to 2 and shadows to low brought GPU temp 20C down.

[Elkwood]

But what if they optimized the engine? Say you would get 10 FPS more... unless your hardware is clearing 60fps it will still be at 100%.

No matter how you look at it, temperature is between you and your hardware, try getting a better case, installing water cooling, underclocking, lowering game resolution, etc..

BTW I was just playing with game settings. Dropping general drawing quality from 8 to 5, background drawing from 3 to 2 and shadows to low brought GPU temp 20C down.

The FPS has Really has very little to do with the argument at hand. I think the problem with this conversation here is were all talking about 2 different things. I know what you are trying to say and unfortunately it has no bearing on this conversational topic.

The optimal requirements for this game are a GTX 460, 2.0 GHZ Processor and 2GB of RAM and 15GB HDD space...

Right now my system is fine, it is running at 60FPS in Ul Dah with No One loaded on my screen, My GPU temperature is 45C, and all my settings are set to default standard for this game. This right now is fine I have no complaints.

The issue with the game is based on this, If I turn off FFXIV, and wait 20 minutes for my system to completely cool down to no load settings my GPU hovers at 25C, Keep in mind this may vary depending on room temp in my house, right now it is 60F outside and in my house so temps are a bit lower.

Now please explain to me how when I load the login screen the temps jump 10-15C there should be NO LOAD on that login screen.

When 1 person loads on my screen my FPS drops from 60-40 FPS and the temperature jumps on average 7-10 Degrees, in an open area not in town. DOES NOT MATTER WHAT SETTING THE GAME IS ON 1-10. It means the game engine is not properly optimized to run and play on our systems. Which means that the game is accessing out hardware more times then it should and causing temperatures to rise higher then they should by overworking our hardware. Currently overworking is probably not a big deal as most of us bought new systems, but 2-3 years down the road constantly working our hardware the way it does will cause overload and hardware will burn out.

Now SE has admitted this in posts on these very forums, as well as over the phone to various people as they have called to complain about things. Constantly running hardware at 100% is a bad thing whether it is designed to be run at said loads or not. Hence forthwith the argument at hand that yes the game is Overtaxing our hardware by causing unnecessary strain on the various components.

[Ilean]

Now please explain to me how when I load the login screen the temps jump 10-15C there should be NO LOAD on that login screen.

When 1 person loads on my screen my FPS drops from 60-40 FPS and the temperature jumps on average 7-10 Degrees, in an open area not in town. DOES NOT MATTER WHAT SETTING THE GAME IS ON 1-10. It means the game engine is not properly optimized to run and play on our systems. Which means that the game is accessing out hardware more times then it should and causing temperatures to rise higher then they should by overworking our hardware. Currently overworking is probably not a big deal as most of us bought new systems, but 2-3 years down the road constantly working our hardware the way it does will cause overload and hardware will burn out.

Now SE has admitted this in posts on these very forums, as well as over the phone to various people as they have called to complain about things. Constantly running hardware at 100% is a bad thing whether it is designed to be run at said loads or not. Hence forthwith the argument at hand that yes the game is Overtaxing our hardware by causing unnecessary strain on the various components.

Going in circles here.

What you call the login screen I am guessing is the white screen with the start, opening movie, etc. options, that one has some pretty clouds in the lower area, except that SE is dumb and they are almost invisible. So there is your load.


I'll just lol here at your complaints of overworking hardware, I guess there is just no way to help you wrap your mind around the fact that CPU/GPU are made to be run at 100%, as much as you don't want it to be true.

Here's some advice: Leave your case open, lower your graphic settings. Or just wait for the PS3 version. PC gaming is all about replacing hardware often.

[Rydin]

Going in circles here.

What you call the login screen I am guessing is the white screen with the start, opening movie, etc. options, that one has some pretty clouds in the lower area, except that SE is dumb and they are almost invisible. So there is your load.


I'll just lol here at your complaints of overworking hardware, I guess there is just no way to help you wrap your mind around the fact that CPU/GPU are made to be run at 100%, as much as you don't want it to be true.

Here's some advice: Leave your case open, lower your graphic settings. Or just wait for the PS3 version. PC gaming is all about replacing hardware often.

Load isn't the only consideration

There are programs that use 100% of your CPU/GPU and don't heat up your system as much as other programs that cause max load

[Ilean]

Load isn't the only consideration

There are programs that use 100% of your CPU/GPU and don't heat up your system as much as other programs that cause max load

Proof please.

That's a new one...

[Rydin]

Proof please.

That's a new one...

Thats the idea behind a stress test...
In modern CPU's there are floating point ALU's and integer ALU's... depending on your architecture, different programs with the same %usage can cause differing levels of heat based off of how optimized they are for that specific CPU architecture and which operations are being handled....

ALSO

A DX9 graphic intensive program could run your system at 100% load but relies on the CPU for many things that the GPU could do much more efficiently.... whereas a DX10 or DX11 game that is equally as complex will still push your system to %100 but will (In theory, it obviously depends on the coding also) run more efficiently and produce less heat.... because each process is sent to the processor that is best equiped to handle it

Like I said... run Prime95, OCCT, Furmark and Cinebench nonstop for a week and see what happens

[Elkwood]

Like I said... run Prime95, OCCT, Furmark and Cinebench nonstop for a week and see what happens

HeHe I can only imagine what they would do if ran for a week personally I don't like to even do the 24 hour test they recommend.

[Elkwood]

Going in circles here.

What you call the login screen I am guessing is the white screen with the start, opening movie, etc. options, that one has some pretty clouds in the lower area, except that SE is dumb and they are almost invisible. So there is your load.

No What I call the login screen is the screen where you put your user and password in. Run MSI afterburner on that and watch your GPU temps. Honestly at this point tho stop with the insults, I know it was you who reported me to SE for the idiot comment, despite the fact you have been very verbal in this thread attacking others including myself for something that is so obvious you are the only one who cannot see it.

Right now you are acting like the little brother who has to be right even tho several people have explained it numerous times to you that you are indeed wrong. At this point I am just going to assume this is something you possibly do not get or cannot comprehend.

Also keep this in mind if I can run CAD software as well as Video and Audio editing software on my PC and it does not tax my PC the way XIV does then perhaps there is an issue with XIV not the PC. As many have stated before to you yes the chips are clocked and maxed then reduced to prevent hardware burnout by the manufacturers, hence why the threshold for NVIDIA GPU is 110C before it fries and goes bye bye, but personally I do not want to see that and I know others do not as well. Nor do I want to sit in a hot room while my PC is cooking bacon because the game I choose to play works my PC to hard. So think about these things before you continue to respond make yourself out to be even more of a fool on these forums then you already are.