[Dev] Overtaxation of PC Hardware

[kukurumei]

If your hardware crosses the meltdown threshold at 100% either you find what's causing it or switch to another brand.

Hardware is made to be run at 100%.

No, I would rather just not play the game, that isn't very good anyway. If ff14 is the only game that's doing this... 1000 other games > 1000 decent games > face book > FF14.

See problem solved, or SE solves it for me.

I don't need a giant portable heater that I have no incentives to keep alive.

"My way or the highway" remarks don't go very far when you're crap.

Delusions of Grandeur usually get the death scythe of reality. That's how it works plain and simple.

[Elkwood]

[Removed by Moderator according to the FINAL FANTASY XIV FORUM Guidelines.] These are pure performance issues not overheating. Running a GPU at 100% or a CPU at event hat will shorten its lifespan which is what this is all about.

[Ilean]

No were not you sir are an idiot, were complaining about the core of the game the way it is designed to RUN on our systems. These are pure PERFORMANCE issues not overheating. Running a GPU at 100% or a CPU at event hat will shorten its lifespan which is what this is all about.

Oh I apologize.

It's just that some *** chose "overtaxation" as this thread's topic, not "poor performance" or "low framerate" and now every ignorant teen and his dog come here to whine that the game is heating their computer too much.

BTW if you are going to whine about PC hardware being run at 100% do yourself a favor and stay on the console camp, you don't have what it takes.

[Rydin]

Oh I apologize.

It's just that some dumbass chose "overtaxation" as this thread's topic, not "poor performance" or "low framerate" and now every ignorant teen and his dog come here to whine that the game is heating their computer too much.

BTW if you are going to whine about PC hardware being run at 100% do yourself a favor and stay on the console camp, you don't have what it takes.

Thats true... All things being relative... A games efficient use of resources is only comparable to how similar games tax your hardware....
With that being said, FFXIV is unique in a few ways... It is a new(er) engine, so there is no true "Control Group"
You can't compare it to, say, a Metro 2033, F.E.A.R., Call of duty: Black Ops, comparing it to those games, the data can be hard to interpret, RPG to FPS is apples and oranges
FFXI, Guild wars, Rift, Wow, AoC really don't compare either... thay are indeed MMO's, but lack the graphic quality to be a fair comparison
So PC RPGs are probably the best comparison, Witcher II, Arcana: Gothic 4, even Assassin's Creed Brotherhood, Dragon Age II, Fallout's latest, Bioshocks latest (PC Versions only)
Then you have so many variables that could be stressed (CPU, GPU, RAM, VRAM, Internet connection speed, wireless interface, HDD read/write speeds), each with its own symptoms of being the bottleneck, but several being pretty similar

But you should also know I've seen HUNDREDS of capacitors pop due to heat... It happens... A LOT... So any thing causing unnecessary heat is bad....

For instance, using Direct3d 10 (the 3D API of DirectX10) as opposed to DX9, using geometry within a shader, instancing, swapping textures at the GPU as opposed to the CPU would all cause less heat in your PC...
I can't possibly stress enough the fact that heat is the #1 enemy of your PC.... Heat governs how fast and stable our processors can run, and also factors heavily into the lifespan of every component

Yes "overtaxation" is not the best name for what's happening, but it's in the thread title... deal with it... its not that big an issue.... we could call it Shabooboojibbery and it doesn't change what is going on inside your PC and the name is hardly worth arguing over

[Ilean]

For instance, using Direct3d 10 (the 3D API of DirectX10) as opposed to DX9, using geometry within a shader, instancing, swapping textures at the GPU as opposed to the CPU would all cause less heat in your PC...
I can't possibly stress enough the fact that heat is the #1 enemy of your PC.... Heat governs how fast and stable our processors can run, and also factors heavily into the lifespan of every component

Yes "overtaxation" is not the best name for what's happening, but it's in the thread title... deal with it... its not that big an issue.... we could call it Shabooboojibbery and it doesn't change what is going on inside your PC and the name is hardly worth arguing over

But what if they optimized the engine? Say you would get 10 FPS more... unless your hardware is clearing 60fps it will still be at 100%.

No matter how you look at it, temperature is between you and your hardware, try getting a better case, installing water cooling, underclocking, lowering game resolution, etc..

BTW I was just playing with game settings. Dropping general drawing quality from 8 to 5, background drawing from 3 to 2 and shadows to low brought GPU temp 20C down.

[Elkwood]

But what if they optimized the engine? Say you would get 10 FPS more... unless your hardware is clearing 60fps it will still be at 100%.

No matter how you look at it, temperature is between you and your hardware, try getting a better case, installing water cooling, underclocking, lowering game resolution, etc..

BTW I was just playing with game settings. Dropping general drawing quality from 8 to 5, background drawing from 3 to 2 and shadows to low brought GPU temp 20C down.

The FPS has Really has very little to do with the argument at hand. I think the problem with this conversation here is were all talking about 2 different things. I know what you are trying to say and unfortunately it has no bearing on this conversational topic.

The optimal requirements for this game are a GTX 460, 2.0 GHZ Processor and 2GB of RAM and 15GB HDD space...

Right now my system is fine, it is running at 60FPS in Ul Dah with No One loaded on my screen, My GPU temperature is 45C, and all my settings are set to default standard for this game. This right now is fine I have no complaints.

The issue with the game is based on this, If I turn off FFXIV, and wait 20 minutes for my system to completely cool down to no load settings my GPU hovers at 25C, Keep in mind this may vary depending on room temp in my house, right now it is 60F outside and in my house so temps are a bit lower.

Now please explain to me how when I load the login screen the temps jump 10-15C there should be NO LOAD on that login screen.

When 1 person loads on my screen my FPS drops from 60-40 FPS and the temperature jumps on average 7-10 Degrees, in an open area not in town. DOES NOT MATTER WHAT SETTING THE GAME IS ON 1-10. It means the game engine is not properly optimized to run and play on our systems. Which means that the game is accessing out hardware more times then it should and causing temperatures to rise higher then they should by overworking our hardware. Currently overworking is probably not a big deal as most of us bought new systems, but 2-3 years down the road constantly working our hardware the way it does will cause overload and hardware will burn out.

Now SE has admitted this in posts on these very forums, as well as over the phone to various people as they have called to complain about things. Constantly running hardware at 100% is a bad thing whether it is designed to be run at said loads or not. Hence forthwith the argument at hand that yes the game is Overtaxing our hardware by causing unnecessary strain on the various components.