[Dev] Overtaxation of PC Hardware

[SilvertearRen]

You guys don't get it. The average DirectX 9 game would only take under 75% load on a 5870. I've heard of examples where people have DUAL Radeon 6990's in crossfire -- that's four GPUs on one machine -- with the performance settings maxed out and with top-end custom cooling to achieve only 20% load distribution on FFXIV.

I don't think it would be fiscally feasible on Square's part to force people to buy the latest and greatest in PC hardware just to make the bloody thing run at 60FPS.

That's just retarded.

[Elkwood]

orly? http://media.arstechnica.com/news.me...stacrash-1.jpg

LOL seriously your going to pull out 1 OS and say its Nvidia fault, Go back and look at XP stats as well as Windows 7 stats then come talk to me. And my comment is in reference to performance not crashing.

[TheRac25]

nvidiot in denial ^

[Elkwood]

nvidiot in denial ^

Really? Your gong to go there because I have a different preference of hardware compared to you? I will not even go there with the ATI vs Nvidia issues because that is not what this thread is about.

[MonsieurVerde]

This thread really isn't about anything anymore since they already responded and understood the point. >_>

[SAMINUS]

Well. Here are my specs, I recently upgraded...

AMD Phenom II X6 1090T Processor at 3.2Ghz.
8 Gigabytes of RAM
Radeon 5870.

And guess what I see in the Control Center?

GPU at 99% load, when idling in FFXIV. The average temperature is 77 degrees Celsius. This is a problem. One of the most powerful graphics cards from the previous generation of video cards (which happened to be top of the line when XIV first launched), and the game can't be optimized so that it doesn't burn up my GPU?!

I think Square Enix needs to take optimizing their client for the PC platform seriously, because this is a major problem. Worse still, the client does not take full advantage of all six cores on my processor - it only seems to be utilizing two cores at the most.

My advice to the programming team: Implement code that will "seek out" additional cores on a computer and use them for graphics/physics processing where needed. Most game developers do this.

Oh, and reduce the retarded overhead on the GPU please. I don't want to see my video card die an early death due to some idiot programmer's lack of graphics programming aptitude. (Note to Yoshi-P: If my video card dies while playing FFXIV, I'm sending you the bill for a replacement. I'm not joking - got the Air Mail envelope ready in my filing cabinet.)

P.S. The fact that FFXIV is a DirectX 9 game, and we all likely have DirectX 11 video cards, is a little more than upsetting: Most DX9 games these days run GREAT on our video cards, yet FFXIV doesn't. -.-

I am running the same CPU OC'ed to 4.2 Ghz,
16GB DDR3 RAM,
2 ATI 5970's in crossfire
nVidia 250gt for the PhysX on the side
SSD Hard Drives

Runs ok for me, but having settings on high gives me some lag in framte rates.

[Jennestia]

Really? Your gong to go there because I have a different preference of hardware compared to you? I will not even go there with the ATI vs Nvidia issues because that is not what this thread is about.

Ati is perfectly fine, I've had more issues with Nvidia than I did with Ati/Amd -- the only reason developers still deal with Nvidia is because they're very quick to sponsor and supply newest hardware.

Also you don't have different preferences, your line of thinking comes to:

"Ati drivers sucks, Nvidia ftw."

If you had something like "I prefer Nvidia because their drivers in my opinion are better designed" then it would be talking about preference -- a lot of 3D modelers prefer ATI over Nvidia lately as well.

This thread isn't about it, but saying Ati sucks basically you knew would start a "debate".

[AuctionGirl]

ATI has done well with their recent drivers... FFXIV performance has improved greatly. I have not yet upgraded to the May Drivers yet, but every month, it has been only getting better and better.

Those who haven't upgraded drivers.. you should.

[Tiraelina]

Whatever this thread was about it's full of misinformation. When a game is actually using your CPU/GPU it's doing what it was designed to do properly. If something does burn out it won't be because of a game, it will be not cleaning out your case semi regularly and/or trying to overclock without sufficient cooling. Complaining Crossfire/SLI isn't scaling 100% isn't even related at all.

Before you say "oh but this <insert game here> burned out video cards!". Yeah they did burn out cards except that they had insufficient cooling to begin with straight from the manufacturer which doesn't fall on developers to design around, take it up with who you bought it from.

There's little reason to have General Drawing Quality above 8 when you can accomplish the same effect by turning on AA with far less of a performance hit. 60 FPS consistently is considered a luxury on high settngs in anything recent, ~30 FPS is more than playable on non FPS/twitch games.

[SilvertearRen]

Whatever this thread was about it's full of misinformation. When a game is actually using your CPU/GPU it's doing what it was designed to do properly. If something does burn out it won't be because of a game, it will be not cleaning out your case semi regularly and/or trying to overclock without sufficient cooling. Complaining Crossfire/SLI isn't scaling 100% isn't even related at all.

Before you say "oh but this <insert game here> burned out video cards!". Yeah they did burn out cards except that they had insufficient cooling to begin with straight from the manufacturer which doesn't fall on developers to design around, take it up with who you bought it from.

There's little reason to have General Drawing Quality above 8 when you can accomplish the same effect by turning on AA with far less of a performance hit. 60 FPS consistently is considered a luxury on high settngs in anything recent, ~30 FPS is more than playable on non FPS/twitch games.

Then, be a dear and explain why ArmA II, which is data-intensive and set to maximum graphics settings, runs my CPU and GPU at 50% load and runs great, while FFXIV runs my GPU at 99% load and causes my video card to reach borderline overheating temperatures unless I set the fan manually to full speed. Both of these games are DirectX 9 games.

It is obvious here that the client was not fully optimized for the PC platform, and is causing these performance issues.

You're trying to make a straw-man argument with insufficient cooling and poorly-built graphics cards as an excuse. Programmers know that even the best hardware can be destroyed by poorly written software. When a game is "actually" using the CPU/GPU, it may be functional, but there's a marked difference between "using the CPU/GPU efficiently" and "using the CPU/GPU like a retard".

Edit: My point will be proven when Guild Wars 2 comes out and uses my Radeon 5870's GPU workload up to only 75%.