[Dev] Overtaxation of PC Hardware

[Ilean]

No were not you sir are an idiot, were complaining about the core of the game the way it is designed to RUN on our systems. These are pure PERFORMANCE issues not overheating. Running a GPU at 100% or a CPU at event hat will shorten its lifespan which is what this is all about.

Oh I apologize.

It's just that some *** chose "overtaxation" as this thread's topic, not "poor performance" or "low framerate" and now every ignorant teen and his dog come here to whine that the game is heating their computer too much.

BTW if you are going to whine about PC hardware being run at 100% do yourself a favor and stay on the console camp, you don't have what it takes.

[Rydin]

Oh I apologize.

It's just that some dumbass chose "overtaxation" as this thread's topic, not "poor performance" or "low framerate" and now every ignorant teen and his dog come here to whine that the game is heating their computer too much.

BTW if you are going to whine about PC hardware being run at 100% do yourself a favor and stay on the console camp, you don't have what it takes.

Thats true... All things being relative... A games efficient use of resources is only comparable to how similar games tax your hardware....
With that being said, FFXIV is unique in a few ways... It is a new(er) engine, so there is no true "Control Group"
You can't compare it to, say, a Metro 2033, F.E.A.R., Call of duty: Black Ops, comparing it to those games, the data can be hard to interpret, RPG to FPS is apples and oranges
FFXI, Guild wars, Rift, Wow, AoC really don't compare either... thay are indeed MMO's, but lack the graphic quality to be a fair comparison
So PC RPGs are probably the best comparison, Witcher II, Arcana: Gothic 4, even Assassin's Creed Brotherhood, Dragon Age II, Fallout's latest, Bioshocks latest (PC Versions only)
Then you have so many variables that could be stressed (CPU, GPU, RAM, VRAM, Internet connection speed, wireless interface, HDD read/write speeds), each with its own symptoms of being the bottleneck, but several being pretty similar

But you should also know I've seen HUNDREDS of capacitors pop due to heat... It happens... A LOT... So any thing causing unnecessary heat is bad....

For instance, using Direct3d 10 (the 3D API of DirectX10) as opposed to DX9, using geometry within a shader, instancing, swapping textures at the GPU as opposed to the CPU would all cause less heat in your PC...
I can't possibly stress enough the fact that heat is the #1 enemy of your PC.... Heat governs how fast and stable our processors can run, and also factors heavily into the lifespan of every component

Yes "overtaxation" is not the best name for what's happening, but it's in the thread title... deal with it... its not that big an issue.... we could call it Shabooboojibbery and it doesn't change what is going on inside your PC and the name is hardly worth arguing over

[kukurumei]

That's besides the fact that even those games that are technically and empirically superior to FF14, don't make the fans run as wild as FF14.

Games aren't suppose to turn a PC into a giant toaster oven. There is almost no reason those fans should be going crazy. There are higher performer games that make this thread relevant.

Being a beta tester, we've known this since forever. We've had all sorts of excuses, they're all been lay to rest. We've had it released, we had newer drivers, we've had tests done. This isn't smoke and mirrors and the finger is pointed straight at FF14.

[Elkwood]

That's besides the fact that even those games that are technically and empirically superior to FF14, don't make the fans run as wild as FF14.

Games aren't suppose to turn a PC into a giant toaster oven. There is almost no reason those fans should be going crazy. There are higher performer games that make this thread relevant.

Being a beta tester, we've known this since forever. We've had all sorts of excuses, they're all been lay to rest. We've had it released, we had newer drivers, we've had tests done. This isn't smoke and mirrors and the finger is pointed straight at FF14.

This actually was brought up in Beta, and I believe SE told us they knew about it then and it was in the code for the game to constantly monitor our PC's. That was the first excuse they gave us and should have been the smoking gun from the get go. Performance has yet to really increase as it pertains to PC users, and this is definitely something SE needs to work on ASAP.

[Ilean]

For instance, using Direct3d 10 (the 3D API of DirectX10) as opposed to DX9, using geometry within a shader, instancing, swapping textures at the GPU as opposed to the CPU would all cause less heat in your PC...
I can't possibly stress enough the fact that heat is the #1 enemy of your PC.... Heat governs how fast and stable our processors can run, and also factors heavily into the lifespan of every component

Yes "overtaxation" is not the best name for what's happening, but it's in the thread title... deal with it... its not that big an issue.... we could call it Shabooboojibbery and it doesn't change what is going on inside your PC and the name is hardly worth arguing over

But what if they optimized the engine? Say you would get 10 FPS more... unless your hardware is clearing 60fps it will still be at 100%.

No matter how you look at it, temperature is between you and your hardware, try getting a better case, installing water cooling, underclocking, lowering game resolution, etc..

BTW I was just playing with game settings. Dropping general drawing quality from 8 to 5, background drawing from 3 to 2 and shadows to low brought GPU temp 20C down.

[Elkwood]

But what if they optimized the engine? Say you would get 10 FPS more... unless your hardware is clearing 60fps it will still be at 100%.

No matter how you look at it, temperature is between you and your hardware, try getting a better case, installing water cooling, underclocking, lowering game resolution, etc..

BTW I was just playing with game settings. Dropping general drawing quality from 8 to 5, background drawing from 3 to 2 and shadows to low brought GPU temp 20C down.

The FPS has Really has very little to do with the argument at hand. I think the problem with this conversation here is were all talking about 2 different things. I know what you are trying to say and unfortunately it has no bearing on this conversational topic.

The optimal requirements for this game are a GTX 460, 2.0 GHZ Processor and 2GB of RAM and 15GB HDD space...

Right now my system is fine, it is running at 60FPS in Ul Dah with No One loaded on my screen, My GPU temperature is 45C, and all my settings are set to default standard for this game. This right now is fine I have no complaints.

The issue with the game is based on this, If I turn off FFXIV, and wait 20 minutes for my system to completely cool down to no load settings my GPU hovers at 25C, Keep in mind this may vary depending on room temp in my house, right now it is 60F outside and in my house so temps are a bit lower.

Now please explain to me how when I load the login screen the temps jump 10-15C there should be NO LOAD on that login screen.

When 1 person loads on my screen my FPS drops from 60-40 FPS and the temperature jumps on average 7-10 Degrees, in an open area not in town. DOES NOT MATTER WHAT SETTING THE GAME IS ON 1-10. It means the game engine is not properly optimized to run and play on our systems. Which means that the game is accessing out hardware more times then it should and causing temperatures to rise higher then they should by overworking our hardware. Currently overworking is probably not a big deal as most of us bought new systems, but 2-3 years down the road constantly working our hardware the way it does will cause overload and hardware will burn out.

Now SE has admitted this in posts on these very forums, as well as over the phone to various people as they have called to complain about things. Constantly running hardware at 100% is a bad thing whether it is designed to be run at said loads or not. Hence forthwith the argument at hand that yes the game is Overtaxing our hardware by causing unnecessary strain on the various components.

[Ilean]

Now please explain to me how when I load the login screen the temps jump 10-15C there should be NO LOAD on that login screen.

When 1 person loads on my screen my FPS drops from 60-40 FPS and the temperature jumps on average 7-10 Degrees, in an open area not in town. DOES NOT MATTER WHAT SETTING THE GAME IS ON 1-10. It means the game engine is not properly optimized to run and play on our systems. Which means that the game is accessing out hardware more times then it should and causing temperatures to rise higher then they should by overworking our hardware. Currently overworking is probably not a big deal as most of us bought new systems, but 2-3 years down the road constantly working our hardware the way it does will cause overload and hardware will burn out.

Now SE has admitted this in posts on these very forums, as well as over the phone to various people as they have called to complain about things. Constantly running hardware at 100% is a bad thing whether it is designed to be run at said loads or not. Hence forthwith the argument at hand that yes the game is Overtaxing our hardware by causing unnecessary strain on the various components.

Going in circles here.

What you call the login screen I am guessing is the white screen with the start, opening movie, etc. options, that one has some pretty clouds in the lower area, except that SE is dumb and they are almost invisible. So there is your load.


I'll just lol here at your complaints of overworking hardware, I guess there is just no way to help you wrap your mind around the fact that CPU/GPU are made to be run at 100%, as much as you don't want it to be true.

Here's some advice: Leave your case open, lower your graphic settings. Or just wait for the PS3 version. PC gaming is all about replacing hardware often.

[Rydin]

Going in circles here.

What you call the login screen I am guessing is the white screen with the start, opening movie, etc. options, that one has some pretty clouds in the lower area, except that SE is dumb and they are almost invisible. So there is your load.


I'll just lol here at your complaints of overworking hardware, I guess there is just no way to help you wrap your mind around the fact that CPU/GPU are made to be run at 100%, as much as you don't want it to be true.

Here's some advice: Leave your case open, lower your graphic settings. Or just wait for the PS3 version. PC gaming is all about replacing hardware often.

Load isn't the only consideration

There are programs that use 100% of your CPU/GPU and don't heat up your system as much as other programs that cause max load

[Ilean]

Load isn't the only consideration

There are programs that use 100% of your CPU/GPU and don't heat up your system as much as other programs that cause max load

Proof please.

That's a new one...

[Black_Rose]

well, one thing is for sure.
no mather what, the landscapes of FFXIV put too much stress on current machines, and that without reason.
FFXIV has good graphics without doubt, but the landscapes alone shouldn't make your card hit up 80-99% (in my case that happens on both my GTX460 1gb OC 800/1600/2000), and in FFXIV they do, even without players on the screen.
it is without doubt a matter that should be taken care of regardless of temperature increasements, because if alone the landscape allready puts out so much stress, then imagine how few space there is to put in other visual effects without further straining your system.

it still makes me wonder how beautiful landscapes like in crysis 1 even on highest graphics put less stress on my machine then FFXIV's landscapes that have nothing but a few trees and random mobs in them.

a good MMO should be build up to allow for Massive action, no matter if field or dungeon, so they should prioritize their engine over alot of other things.