[Dev] Overtaxation of PC Hardware

[kukurumei]

Except being optimized or not has nothing to do with heat, if anything it will run hotter because its doing more faster. Is there anyone that isn't talking from their own thought up facts? The game was and will never be doing damage unless its your own/manufacturers fault due to cooling failure, if someone neglects maintainence that long their card will burn or start shutting down when it gets that far.

This is like complaining that a video encode is using too much CPU.

Untrue, Programing take a large part of what can happen. While the hardware itself is stress tested and drivers that have safe guards, it does not stop the fact that an unruly program(s) can spike it so badly it shortens the lifespan of the hardware and potentially harm it.

When you consider that gaming PCs are not like Macs or very rigorous R&D manufactures like Sony that does massive design analysis on their products, what you are left with is a patchwork of components that may or may not work well together in the worse occasions.

If FF14 is making the worse occasions constant, it's a very very bad program. If it has code that specifically bypasses safeguards(that's basically what OCing software does)... all heck can go to.

Again it's down to bad programing if such things are happening. Like an amateur that programs a text editor to uses up all system resources until the system locks up and BSOD.

I do not want a high class warranty insure workstation to play FF14. Especially when it's not even that great. Trying to put it on the same level as video encoding situation is ludicrous, because even video encoding doesn't it as bad as FF14.

[Tiraelina]

Yes and programs have to designed specificly to do that like FurMark for GPU's and in the case of CPU's a program that resides entirely in the L1/L2 cache (can't remember name) going full bore. Both are not anything that's going to happen in a game environment where the CPU and GPU threads can't run seperately. AMD has specificly stated they don't recommend anyone running FurMark on the 5800 series because it will kick in its safeguards.

In the case of this thread its being overly paranoid about normal operating temperatures and acting like something being used at 99% is "damaging" it. This a completely normal scenario where both are doing what they should be. The last time a game burned out video cards was SC2 on the Battle.net menus that were running off the GPU without a limit because the CPU didn't have to do any of the work, the only damage that was dealt was... the cards that were sold with inadequate cooling! That isn't a software problem.

[polyhedral]

I'm running an AMD 955 P2 x4 gtx460 @ 1600x900 and it runs like doo doo balls.

I'd stay signed in longer, and even sign in more, if my PC wasn't turned into a room heater/pretty screensaver.

Unoptimized is an understatement. I doubt they fix it. I keep thinking of how FFXI was @30fps,

meh

I truly want to be a fanboy of this game. That's the only freaking reason I'm posting. I do care, but man, how long do people really need to wait, ya know? 2 years???

I won't be heating my room tonight. I think I'll play Silent Hill Homecoming instead (and if you can't see the joke, the joke it on you perhaps)
derp da herp

[Ilean]

Some of you mix up stuff.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with having a GPU and/or CPU at 100% and its resulting high temp., the problem is we get crappy framerates in return.

If temp is your main concern keep reading. If not, I agree with you that SE needs to optimize the damn engine and offer more performance settings.

If you are experiencing lockups or a near meltdown due to high GPU/CPU temps, either it's a defective or low quality product, fans are failing, clogged heatsinks (even a thin layer of dust greatly reduces heat dissipation) or...

Do the case test, if GPU/CPU temps under similar load drop 10C or more when you leave your case open then you should focus on fixing that, there are lots of info on it online.

If you can't fix it and it's reasonable safe, leave your case open and air dust it (at least your heatsinks) once a week. Unless you have children around it or like to eat on top of it, your hardware will last more being exposed to some extra dust than to high temperatures.

[Elkwood]

Ilean if that was the issue I would gladly agree with you. This game is a massive resource hog and does run everyone's systems VERY hot. My case is VERY clean, and VERY open, with massive airflow being pulled through the entire case and properly vented out the top with 3x 120mm fans. [Corsair 800D Link] As you can see from my Case I have plenty of airflow and space with nothing impeding airflow. All my wiring is run behind the back of the case so all you see is the board and components. Temperatures inside a case will vary with weather, it is summertime and the average temp outside is going to be 85F naturally those temps that were 70C inside a case will now raise as well.

As I stated in my initial post having dual monitors I have watched how 2 games released withing a similar period Starcraft II and FFXIV access my hardware. Starcraft II does not heat my system up the way FFXIV does, it is properly optimized. FFXIV runs a good 20C hotter then most games I play, SE needs to work on this to reduce the load the game is putting on our systems.

With Nvidia i am lucky I can actually move some of my physX processing off my video card and over to unused cores on my CPU, do a few more tweaks and get some better performance but that is only a band aid on the issues. The game is not optimized for a PC, the video cards and CPU's that most of us ran out and bought because of Beta are several times more powerful then the stuff inside of a PS3, this game should be running flawless on ANY 6 core processor and 400GTX series card/ATI 5000X series card yet it does not.

This is bad programming any way you look at it. The game needs to have a client developed for PC not for PS3 then ported to PC or whatever people are saying that they do. I am not a computer programmer, I am however a licensed and certified Hardware Tech, and I can tell you with the utmost certainty this is the only game that accesses the hardware in this fashion.

[SAMINUS]

Ya... don't try and run this game with Windows Vista lol, Vista in itself is a memory hog. go with Win 7.

[Soukyuu]

Having taken an image synthesis lecture this semester, I've been following it with a mix of amazement and anger. Amazement at how good something can look like, how easy it is to implement and anger at how little resources it is taking on a 8600m GT to render compared to FFXIV ...

Best example program they showed had a pretty big landscape, it's texture was computed in realtime and supported proper level of detail, not the crippled SE one. It didn't make the 8600m GT even flinch and it looked as good if not better than FFXIV!

I am aware that many different things combined put much more load on the GPU and that example had no trees etc, but it was still much more optimized than what we see here.

Ya... don't try and run this game with Windows Vista lol, Vista in itself is a memory hog. go with Win 7.

Though I agree win7 is the way to go, this myth never dies, doesn't it... ah well, I should really stop caring.

[Zephir]

Here on a gtx 460 SE never over 63 C° with all high and 1920x1080P and depth of field+phi

And processor (I7 2600k 3.8 ghz) never reach 53 C°

With older VGA driver sometimes I reach 75 C°

[Elkwood]

Here on a gtx 460 SE never over 63 C° with all high and 1920x1080P and depth of field+phi

And processor (I7 2600k 3.8 ghz) never reach 53 C°

With older VGA driver sometimes I reach 75 C°

Well some GTX 460 came with a custom cooler, MSI, Gigabyte, Asus, it is only the ones that came with a stock cooler that seem to have an issue.

[Zephir]

Well some GTX 460 came with a custom cooler, MSI, Gigabyte, Asus, it is only the ones that came with a stock cooler that seem to have an issue.

ah ok..mine is DirectCU version