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    Quote Originally Posted by Rane View Post
    for what purpose was this song originally composed?
    Every now and then, we'll pop into the Localization forum when the lore goes awry (though, I can't stress this enough, we don't go in there to just ask questions we're curious or confused about; but inquire about things that genuinely seem like inconsistencies and unintentional ambiguities possibly as a result of localization or development error after we've discussed them with others).

    From the discussions we've had, and responses they've generated from team members like Fernehalwes, it really don't seem like too much was changed from its original purpose. It seems like many things were put on hold, a few connecting strands were intertwined, and new things were added.

    Take Midgardsormr for instance. In September 2010, we were given the information that a primal stopped the Garlean advance pre-release, and then in the opening cutscene of 1.X, we see the Garlean advance being decimated by a giant, nameless dragon.

    Many of us assumed that this dragon was the very primal we were informed about. However, in 2012, we were informed that this dragon was Midgardsormr and was not, in fact, a primal at all. Was this an inconsistency? Not at all, it turns out (to my pleasant surprise).

    We later got confirmation (today in fact!) that the primal that halted the Garleans was never meant to be Midgardsormr, and its identity had been planned from the beginning but won't be revealed until ARR.

    It really just seems like a lot of things were put on hold for Meteor.

    We saw Gaius really ramping up his efforts in Future's Perfect - Answers may very well have always been intended to be a mournful moment in our struggle against The Empire.

    You never know, though!
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    Yay I'm a happy Miqo'te ~Nyaa

    but...

    "Yet in one fleeting moment, for anew it doth grow"

    shouldn't it be in red like this:

    "Yet in one fleeting moment, for anew it doth grow"
    (as it was cut out of the End of an Era Video)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kayokane View Post
    "Yet in one fleeting moment, for anew it doth grow"

    shouldn't it be in red like this:

    "Yet in one fleeting moment, for anew it doth grow"
    (as it was cut out of the End of an Era Video)
    Excellent catch, Kayokane!
    The original post has been updated.
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    Thank you very much for the lyrics!
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    Ohhhh~~!! Finally!

    Now after having heard the song so much I won't have any problems memorizing them and signing it (correctly) around campus!

    ♪ To all of my children... ♫

    *goes away happily singing a sad song*
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    Lyrical Analysis

    Oh, I love this song. And I've always had this mental picture that it was being sung by an actual entity in the game rather than just being a theme song. After all, as Nobuo Uematsu tells us, the lyrics were handed to him by the lore team first, which is not what they normally do.

    Excuse me while I analyse...

    Quote Originally Posted by Fernehalwes View Post
    I close my eyes, tell us why must we suffer
    Release your hands, for your will drags us under
    My legs grow tired, tell us where must we wander
    How can we carry on if redemption's beyond us?
    I imagined this introduction as being a plea for help and guidance by the denizens of Eorzea. The choir of voices certainly gives it that earthly feeling as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fernehalwes View Post
    To all of my children in whom Life flows abundant
    To all of my children to whom Death hath passed his judgement
    The soul yearns for honor, and the flesh the hereafter
    Look to those who walked before to lead those who walk after
    This sounds like a goddess of sorts, voiced by Susan Calloway. Personally, I like to think it's Azeyma, the Warden on the basis that she would be the one to first hear a plea for protection, but who knows?

    At the very least, note how "Life" and "Death" have been capitalised. This makes them personal pronouns and (unless Ferne made a boo boo in the grammar, which happens to the best of us) it suggests the singer is referring to the two aspects of the Traders, Nald and Thal.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fernehalwes View Post
    Shining is the Land's light of justice
    Ever flows the Land's well of purpose
    Walk free, walk free, walk free, believe...
    The Land is alive, so believe...
    Here, Azeyma would be reassuring us that not all is lost and that the strength to prevail is something we already have.

    Again, "Land" is capitalised to make it a personal pronoun, making me think to Nophica, the Matron.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fernehalwes View Post
    Suffer (Feel) Promise (Think) Witness (Teach) Reason
    (Hear) Follow (Feel) Wander (Think) Stumble (Teach) Listen
    (Speak) Honor (Speak) Value (Tell) Whisper (Tell) Mention
    (Hope) Ponder (Hope) Warrant (Wish) Cherish (Wish) Welcome
    (Roam) Witness (Roam) Listen (Roam) Suffer (Roam) Sanction
    (Sleep) Weather (Sleep) Wander (Sleep) Answer
    Sleep on
    This section (and its reprise later) are a little more complicated. Firstly, the parts in brackets (sung by Susan) are very much like the "Hear, Feel, Think" we get just before witnessing the first starshower in our first experience of the echo.
    I interpret this sequence as a chorus of the varying trials Eorzeas describe (the choir) and the consistent messages given to us by Azeyma.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fernehalwes View Post
    Now open your eyes while our plight is repeated
    Still deaf to our cries, lost in hope we lie defeated
    Our souls have been torn, and our bodies forsaken
    Bearing sins of the past, for our future is taken
    Under the context I've been suggesting, this entire section takes on an entire new meaning. If it is indeed Azeyma or another of the Twelve singing, they are possibly telling us the following:
    • Use your heads and pay attention to what is going on around you in the big picture.
    • There is a way, but we can't help you unless you summon us.
    • We are a shadow of what we once were, unsummoned beings in the aether.
    • When we first sealed Bahamut, we resigned ourselves to this helplessness? (The twelve could be remenants of Allagan Sages who sacrificed themselves into the aether to seal Bahamut, became revered and after an age or two perceived as gods... I'm speculating a little more than I probably have liberty to on this one.)

    Quote Originally Posted by Fernehalwes View Post
    War born of strife, these trials persuade us not
    (Feel what? Learn what?)
    Words without sound, these lies betray our thoughts
    (See what? Hear what?)
    Mired by a plague of doubt, the Land, she mourns
    Judgement binds all we hold to a memory of scorn
    Tell us why, given Life, we are meant to die, helpless in our cries?
    The parts in brackets, sung by the choir, arguably represent our lack of understanding about the echo. What are we meant to feel, hear and think?
    As for Azeyma, it sounds like she is lamenting the stupidly racist and selfish state of affairs. The last line, I'm still thinking about the best way to fit that in.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fernehalwes View Post
    Witness (Feel) Suffer (Think) Borrow (Teach) Reason
    (Hear) Follow (Feel) Stumble (Think) Wander (Teach) Listen
    (Blink) Whisper (Blink) Shoulder (Blink) Ponder (Blink) Weather
    (Hear) Answer (Look) Answer (Think) Answer together
    This time it is the other way around. I believe it is no coincidence that in the End of an Era Trailer, this part plays during the prayer/summon/seal component. We now finally understand what to do (hear, feel, think). As for the Twelve...
    • Witness: Halone, the Fury
    • Suffer: Rhalgr, the Destroyer
    • Borrow: Nald'thal, the Traders
    • Reason: Thaliak, the Scholar
    • Follow: Nophica, the Matron
    • Stumble: Llymlaen, the Navigator
    • Wander: Oschon, the Wanderer
    • Listen: Menphina, the Lover
    • Whisper: Nymeia, the Spinner
    • Shoulder: Byregot, the Builder
    • Ponder: Azeyma, the Warden
    • Weather: Althyk, the Keeper
    (I used the introductions to each of the guardians as read during character creation to help me assign them. Of course, I might be drawing a long bow on this.)

    Quote Originally Posted by Fernehalwes View Post
    Thy Life is a riddle, to bear rapture and sorrow
    To listen, to suffer, to entrust unto tomorrow
    In one fleeting moment, from the Land doth life flow
    Yet in one fleeting moment, for anew it doth grow
    In the same fleeting moment
    Thou must live
    Die
    And know
    We lost, but the realm will be reborn.
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    Any know where can one purchase the album that actually contain the song? So far I only found it on youtubes and orchestra version.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BobbinT View Post
    Any know where can one purchase the album that actually contain the song? So far I only found it on youtubes and orchestra version.
    or maybe have the song on Itunes so people who want to own it can ^^
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    Last edited by Fossil924; 11-27-2012 at 08:53 PM. Reason: left out word ...lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fossil924 View Post
    or maybe have the song on Itunes so people who want to own it can ^^
    if there's one on Itunes, I would love that too. ^^
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fossil924 View Post
    or maybe have the song on Itunes so iSheep who want to own it can ^^
    Fixed for you, because we all know only apple customers use the bane that is iTunes.

    I would love Ferne to tell us exactly how the lyrics fit into the lore, we have our speculation but an official word would be awesome (perhaps the original meanings and the current meanings.)
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