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    Pretty decent interview. The only thing that really bugged me was some of the reader comments, like people saying GW2 has good combat. LOL. GW2 is so massively overrated in every department. Know what, I actually prefer FFXIV's combat over it, even with the broke ass engine. If they wanted to mention good combat, they should have mentioned TERA or something, not "stand back and shoot for 10 minutes, dodge circles" the game. In terms of combat TERA did everything GW2 tried to do, but actually did it properly rather than slapped it together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by casker View Post
    Pretty decent interview. The only thing that really bugged me was some of the reader comments, like people saying GW2 has good combat. LOL. GW2 is so massively overrated in every department. Know what, I actually prefer FFXIV's combat over it, even with the broke ass engine. If they wanted to mention good combat, they should have mentioned TERA or something, not "stand back and shoot for 10 minutes, dodge circles" the game. In terms of combat TERA did everything GW2 tried to do, but actually did it properly rather than slapped it together.
    care to elaborate? never tried those games
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aion View Post
    care to elaborate? never tried those games
    Well, sure, any chance to go on an internet rant.

    TERA combat is a software engineering feat that plays significantly different from most other MMOs. The way abilities work and connect with enemies are more based on movement, timing, zoning, etc. Has stuff like dodging, blocking, and no tab targetting. Each projectile for example has its own hit detection, so you can dodge it during travel. Etc. Plays sort of like an action game with MMO styled abilities. If players are skilled enough the idea of "trinity" is moot.

    TERA combat overall: The gameplay was designed with principles like positioning, timing, and space, in mind so you can see the effects at every facet of gameplay: your own abilities, enemy abilities, enemy behavior, animation, etc.

    GW2 tried to do similar things but just slapped the concepts together onto a WoW template.
    GW2 version of hit detection -> WoW except if the range on your ability isn't enough, you can still shoot, it just won't connect. Has nothing to do with actual hit detection.
    GW2 version of dodge -> a command that throws you in some direction and makes you invulnerable for the duration.
    GW2 version of removing trinity -> Make everyone a ranged character.

    GW2 combat overall -> design concepts are half-assed and slapped together, resulting in sloppy gameplay. In dungeons, melee are at such a severe disadvatange its stupid to ever do anything other than shoot all day. And yes, I mean all day, because they give bosses about 20x the amount of health they need. Boss behavior is basically "throw a billion circles under the player so they have to use the dodge (see invulernability) command." It's so all or nothing and binary. This has the effect of morphing the general gameplay into an experience of "stare at the ground and make sure you're not standing in venn diagram hell." The design is so shoddy it's barely functional. Melee literally isn't functional in comparison to ranged.

    ANYWAY the whole point of this is that people should stop paying lip service to GW2 and stop going along with it when people fanboy that game to hell and back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by casker View Post
    Pretty decent interview. The only thing that really bugged me was some of the reader comments, like people saying GW2 has good combat. LOL. GW2 is so massively overrated in every department. Know what, I actually prefer FFXIV's combat over it, even with the broke ass engine. If they wanted to mention good combat, they should have mentioned TERA or something, not "stand back and shoot for 10 minutes, dodge circles" the game. In terms of combat TERA did everything GW2 tried to do, but actually did it properly rather than slapped it together.
    I would disown both GW2 and Tera and play FFXIV 1.0 or PSO2 any day. Funny thing about Tera is how that game stopped me from buying a copy. I played CBT 5 and got to level cap in one weekend. When open beta was announced, I started a character and played for 5 minutes, then figured the game just got too boring. :P

    Many of the friends I made in CBT were telling me that the "real game" starts at level 35+. To put it brief, all i said was that the real game should start at level 1. Sounds exactly what YoshiP is focusing on story-wise and content-wise. Not a game where you can reach level cap on a weekend, or in a week, nor even a month perhaps.

    One thing I am most interested in and hoping to test out in the alpha or beta, is the battle system and gameplay mechanics. I want to mess with stats and see exactly how much of a value they hold.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nuru View Post
    I would disown both GW2 and Tera and play FFXIV 1.0 or PSO2 any day. Funny thing about Tera is how that game stopped me from buying a copy. I played CBT 5 and got to level cap in one weekend. When open beta was announced, I started a character and played for 5 minutes, then figured the game just got too boring. :P

    Many of the friends I made in CBT were telling me that the "real game" starts at level 35+. To put it brief, all i said was that the real game should start at level 1. Sounds exactly what YoshiP is focusing on story-wise and content-wise. Not a game where you can reach level cap on a weekend, or in a week, nor even a month perhaps.

    One thing I am most interested in and hoping to test out in the alpha or beta, is the battle system and gameplay mechanics. I want to mess with stats and see exactly how much of a value they hold.
    Yeah, TERA has it's own problems. Just wanted to say that combat wise it had a lot of potential and engine wise was pretty impressive. When I look at GW2 it feels like they just looked at what games like TERA and Blade&Soul were doing, shat bricks, and half-assedly tried to copy them. Thanks to marketing they somehow got this image of being innovative when a lot of the game is a hot mess.

    I am actually a little wary of the ARR battle revamp, I mostly liked the tempo and somewhat reactive feel combat had in 1.0. But I'll wait and see.

    @Totorixiii - think you meant preypacer ^^
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