Possible idea for future new Race...?

[Preypacer]

So, a bit of a side-discussion started up regarding the possibility of introducing Bangaa, or a similar race (as they would likely not have the same name), in Vilhelm's summary thread of Soukyuu's translations..

To cut back on reiterating the whole thing:
Here's the first post by Tonkra
Here's a response from myself
A reply with interesting ideas on origin from Mudd
And a final response from me again

It was to the point where I thought it might be worthwhile to separate the discussion into its own thread, since that thread is really about any of a number of things from Soukyuu's posts, and not specifically about a possible future race.

We know Yoshi-P is partial to a more reptilian race, and they certain fit the bill. Also, as cool as Viera are, I think Eorzea already has the "fuzzy animal-like race" bit covered.

Besides, imagine the race wars that could break out between Miqo'te and Viera if it came to that!

I think they'd make a fun and interesting playable race. They have a strong and distinct profile/silhouette which would make them stand out in the game world (they wouldn't cross the line of becoming too "beast-like" as a mob, as Yoshi-P has expressed concern about). Their overall design could allow for some great character customization and there could be a lot of personality in their motions/animations. They'd certainly be unique among all the other playable races in the game currently.

So... thoughts? Ideas?

[fusional]

sure, add bangaa. there will be like four on each server. development time well spent.

[Preypacer]

sure, add bangaa. there will be like four on each server. development time well spent.

Right, because you speak for everyone. Obviously.

Anyone with some serious and non-trollish feedback to provide?

[fusional]

Right, because you speak for everyone. Obviously.

Anyone with some serious and non-trollish feedback to provide?

not trollish whatsoever. realistic.

galka and roegadyn are considered rare by race standards in FF MMOs. why? easy.

they aren't
pretty
to look at

dig?

yeah, some western folks like ugly character models. and the MMOs primarily targeting western audiences usually have the requisite ugly race/s. even then they're uncommon at best, because the human-types and elf-types and midget-types will always see the bulk of use.

so you want an ugly race in a game that is clearly not a western MMO? sure they want XIV to appeal to western gamers, but look at the MASSIVE rift between your WoW crowd and your FF crowd. each hates the other game/type with a pretty intense passion. no matter how you slice it, games have target markets and the target market of FF isn't the western ugly-beasty-humanoid crowd.

would some people still like it? obviously. would some people still choose one? obviously. should it possibly be an option at some point in the future? sure. but proportionally it will be 5% of the population or less. and for the people who desperately want to be the beautiful unique snowflake... fantastic. but in the end that's just wasting development dollars that could be better spent *now*

p.s. just because someone doesn't agree with *your* personal biases, it doesn't mean they're trolling.

[Preypacer]

not trollish whatsoever. realistic.

So you do feel you speak for everyone, then. Got it.

galka and roegadyn are considered rare by race standards in FF MMOs. why? easy.

they aren't
pretty
to look at

dig?

Yet people (far more than "4") still play Roegadynn. Dig?

yeah, some western folks like ugly character models. and the MMOs primarily targeting western audiences usually have the requisite ugly race/s. even then they're uncommon at best, because the human-types and elf-types and midget-types will always see the bulk of use.

so you want an ugly race in a game that is clearly not a western MMO? sure they want XIV to appeal to western gamers, but look at the MASSIVE rift between your WoW crowd and your FF crowd. each hates the other game/type with a pretty intense passion. no matter how you slice it, games have target markets and the target market of FF isn't the western ugly-beasty-humanoid crowd.

Quick.. Better tell Yoshi he's not making a Western MMO and a more "beastly" race just wouldn't work... because Fusional says so, and they speak for everyone. Clearly.

• Reason why he is torn between Viera and something more brute-ish like a reptile is because Viera are too close to humans and he wanted to introduce something more beast-like. Also, Viera has only appeared as female so far... and he doesn't want to have a gender-locked race... [read: do you seriously want to see bunnyGUYS?!]

-source

would some people still like it? obviously. would some people still choose one? obviously. should it possibly be an option at some point in the future? sure. but proportionally it will be 5% of the population or less. and for the people who desperately want to be the beautiful unique snowflake... fantastic. but in the end that's just wasting development dollars that could be better spent *now*

You're just spewing off conjecture here, fusional. Do you have something you can back up with actual stats, and not just random numbers you pulled out of the blue because "hey, they sound good to me"?

If you don't like the idea, fine. Say "I don't like the idea and here are my personal reasons why". That is a valid response. Attempting to speak for the majority and pulling "statistics" out of thin air is not basis for meaningful discussion, because you have no way of knowing or backing up your claims.

So, again, if you'd like to discuss the idea/suggestion on its own merits, or perhaps put forth your own idea for a new race, by all means. If you're going to sit here and play "statistical soothsayer", then I'd prefer you did it in another thread. 'kay? Thanks.

[fusional]

So you do feel you speak for everyone, then. Got it.

straw man. i never said nor implied anything of the sort. u trollin?

Yet people (far more than "4") still play Roegadynn. Dig?

remember when i said "galka and roegadyn are considered rare by race standards in FF MMOs" in that thing you quoted but apparently didn't read? yes, genius. more than 4 people play them. that's an exaggeration for effect. and the fact that LITERALLY more than 4 people play them doesn't detract from them being exponentially more rare than the other races.

try to tell me i'm wrong about that. i dare you. but first you may want to browse the forums a little more to get a better idea of who's playing what.

Quick.. Better tell Yoshi he's not making a Western MMO and a more "beastly" race just wouldn't work... because Fusional says so, and they speak for everyone. Clearly.

i'm trying to explain things to you with absolute disinterest and you're getting all kinds of butthurt because you appear to have deep personal investment in the issue. you should probably relax, and stop putting words in my mouth to suit your feeble position. you might also want to research the differences between exaggerating and sensationalizing. i'm guilty of the former, you're guilty of the latter.

but since we're on the topic, why don't you start a thread polling how many FFXI and FFXIV players watch japanese anime. especially the non-japanese. now repeat the exercise on the official wow forums.

i'd love to hear your results!

(protip: i already have a good idea how it's gonna pan out)

i would leave it up to you to figure out why that's important, but since you apparently don't possess the ability to logically deduce or make realistic observations outside of the realm of your own petty personal biases-

it's important because anime characters are pretty or cute. characters in FF MMOs are pretty or cute. so it follows that the most popular races will be the ones that are pretty or cute.

and
they
are.

You're just spewing off conjecture here, fusional. Do you have something you can back up with actual stats, and not just random numbers you pulled out of the blue because "hey, they sound good to me"?

you're either blind or living in a fantasy land. in either case, i can't help you.

edit: relevant.

Attempting to speak for the majority

which i never did, and repeating it like a mantra won't make it any more true.

because you have no way of knowing or backing up your claims.

reality isn't a way of backing up my claims? are you really so up your own arse about this topic that you'd delude yourself into thinking galka and roegadyn *aren't* the rarest races chosen in FF MMOs?

did you never even play either MMO? because i have, and you know what playing them led to me experiencing more times than i can count?

... people getting excited when a galka/roegadyn would join their party or linkshell.

because they're rare.

okay? are we on the same page yet?

good.

so let me repeat myself on last time in extraordinarily simple terms, so that you might even be able to see beyond your buttfrustrations and understand what it is i'm trying to get through your skull:

UNPRETTY RACE RARE
Y RARE?
BCUZ NOT PRETTY/CUTE IN GAME DOMINATED BY PRETTY/CUTE
CAN ADD EVEN LESS PRETTY RACE?
YA BUT WILL BE EVEN MORE RARE

simple enough for you?

i mean, jesus. GW2 is about as western as they get and even in THAT game the ugliest race is the least common. how sheltered are you?

[Thebard]

Poaching races from Ivalice is not going to cut it. Inventing a completely new race is the best option, the only sensible option.

[Preypacer]

Poaching races from Ivalice is not going to cut it. Inventing a completely new race is the best option, the only sensible option.

They already copied the entire spread of playable races from XI over wholesale, made minor changes, and gave them new names.

They have copied an entire beastiary of mobs over from XI and other games wholesale - using the exact same look/design, just with more detail - and brought them in.

Magitech is from another game in the series.

Materia is from another game in the series.


Crystal Tower.

Golden Bazaar.

And so on...

Yoshi-P has already stated that XIV is going to be bringing elements from other games over, and it already has been from the start. So, concern about bringing things from another game seems rather moot at this point.

Besides, as Elexia pointed out in the other thread, only people who've "visited Ivalice" will recognize them.

I'm okay with them coming up with something entirely new. I just like the idea of having a race similar to them, even if not exactly them.

[Thebard]

They already copied the entire spread of playable races from XI over wholesale, made minor changes, and gave them new names.

They have copied an entire beastiary of mobs over from XI and other games wholesale - using the exact same look/design, just with more detail - and brought them in.

Magitech is from another game in the series.

Materia is from another game in the series.


Crystal Tower.

Golden Bazaar.

And so on...

Yoshi-P has already stated that XIV is going to be bringing elements from other games over, and it already has been from the start. So, concern about bringing things from another game seems rather moot at this point.

Besides, as Elexia pointed out in the other thread, only people who've "visited Ivalice" will recognize them.

I'm okay with them coming up with something entirely new. I just like the idea of having a race similar to them, even if not exactly them.

Thats exactly why we need something entirely new, because nothing else is.

[Tonkra]

Poaching races from Ivalice is not going to cut it. Inventing a completely new race is the best option, the only sensible option.

well but at least you could say "i want something in that direction, if you dont like those existing races" i dont think that yoshida wants to introduce an existing race.


here my poll, which i created long long time ago about different types of races:

Which-new-races-would-you-like-the-most-for-FFXIV-2.0.?