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    Quote Originally Posted by Nix View Post
    NDA content as in the terms of the NDA or alpha test material not released by SE?


    Here's a little story from 1.0 alpha-
    Some guy thought he was being super-clever by showing a live stream of him playing. He had his alpha account terminated and here's his open-ended Baw-fest
    http://www.calvyno.com/ABopenletter.php

    Moral of the story: NDA breakage, not even once.
    alpha test material,picture..ofcourse the UI/name already blurred.... its weird its still up...lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aion View Post
    alpha test material,picture..ofcourse the UI/name already blurred.... its weird its still up...lol
    Might be up for a while until a S&D letter can get out, sadly those don't move overnight~
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nix View Post
    Might be up for a while until a S&D letter can get out, sadly those don't move overnight~
    its been up for....2-3 weeks? while I saw one of fansite mod say he must deleted a link in his comment section because Mr Morbol write him a letter, lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aion View Post
    its been up for....2-3 weeks? while I saw one of fansite mod say he must deleted a link in his comment section because Mr Morbol write him a letter, lol
    I don't look for those kinds of things so I couldn't say haha;;, but legal stuff can take a while, some stuff slips through the cracks still though
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aion View Post
    its been up for....2-3 weeks? while I saw one of fansite mod say he must deleted a link in his comment section because Mr Morbol write him a letter, lol
    Normally anyone with any journalistic integrity would not post it to begin with. Most sites I know do honor NDAs even if they didn't sign them personally, but journalistic integrity tends to be a tad thin in this industry, even more so between bloggers.

    Integrity aside, posting "leaks" or NDA covered material almost always comes back to bite you in the rear. Even if you don't receive immediate consequences, getting a reputation for having a big mouth and no respect for the rules of common courtesy with developers is a bad thing and normally influences your credibility negatively. It takes more time on the internet for the effects to show, but more often than not, ultimately they do.
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    Last edited by Abriael; 11-28-2012 at 05:40 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abriael View Post
    Normally anyone with any journalistic integrity would not post it to begin with. Most sites I know do honor NDAs even if they didn't sign them personally, but journalistic integrity tends to be a tad thin in this industry, even more so between bloggers.

    Integrity aside, posting "leaks" or NDA covered material almost always comes back to bite you in the rear. Even if you don't receive immediate consequences, getting a reputation for having a big mouth is a bad thing and normally influences your credibility negatively. It takes more time on the internet for the effects to show, but more often than not, ultimately they do.
    its funny I heard from a friend everyone in Alpha has played since the first alpha/beta and were loyal players who most bought CE and are legacy members which make up a majority of the invites >.> and by your logic I don't need proof do I? just going with the word of my friend because you know I don't hear S-E denying that they didn't give loyal members alpha!~
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    In one fleeting moment, from the land doth life flow
    Yet in one fleeting moment for the new leaf doth grow"

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShinigamiKayla View Post
    its funny I heard from a friend everyone in Alpha has played since the first alpha/beta and were loyal players who most bought CE and are legacy members which make up a majority of the invites >.> and by your logic I don't need proof do I? just going with the word of my friend because you know I don't hear S-E denying that they didn't give loyal members alpha!~
    Completely random quote aside... your comparison is completely off mark.

    Your friend telling you that everyone he met in the alpha has played since the first alpha and so forth is enough to say that only for the ones he met, which is a negligible percentage of the total and has no statistical value. It's not enough to say that ALL or the MAJORITY of the alpha testers fit those criteria, because he didn't ask them all, nor the majority, nor a relevant percentage.

    Multiple people telling that they received an invitation despite having an inactive account is enough to say that it happened to those people. No one is saying that ALL or a MAJORITY of the people with inactive accounts received an invitation. All we're saying is that it happened, no one is saying to how many.

    Witnesses can prove that something happened to individuals or limited groups, or in a limited environment, but you can't prove a statistic without a comprehensive and fairly large statistical pool.

    Since here no one is trying to pull statistics on what numbers or percentage of players with an inactive accounts got invited, good job for comparing apples to oranges and adding something completely irrelevant to the discussion.
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    Last edited by Abriael; 11-28-2012 at 05:43 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abriael View Post
    Completely random quote aside... your comparison is completely off mark.

    Your friend telling you that everyone he met in the alpha has played since the first alpha and so forth is enough to say that only for the ones he met, which is a negligible percentage of the total and has no statistical value. It's not enough to say that ALL or the MAJORITY of the alpha testers fit those criteria, because he didn't ask them all, nor the majority, nor a relevant percentage.

    Multiple people telling that they received an invitation despite having an inactive account is enough to say that it happened to those people. No one is saying that ALL or a MAJORITY of the people with inactive accounts received an invitation. All we're saying is that it happened, no one is saying to how many.

    You can prove that something happened to individuals or limited groups, but you can't prove a statistic without comprehensive and a large statistical pool.

    Good job for comparing apples to oranges.
    sometimes I like apples sometimes I like oranges -shrugs- depends on my mood~ I can't believe your still crying about this because you need so much attention from everyone~ I feel like watermelon though atm oh well x_x Imma go find some pumpkin pie~

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    To listen to suffer to entrust until tomorrow
    In one fleeting moment, from the land doth life flow
    Yet in one fleeting moment for the new leaf doth grow"