Global Alpha Test Start Date

[AmyNeudaiz]

New invites on 12/3 (I think)? That's right on my birthday xD
/hope

[Klyde]

No. There's a strict NDA in place. Alpha testers aren't even allowed to disclose that they have been accepted.

Oh ok, thanks. I just didnt want to get in trouble or something :/

[Ryokyu]

wow thank you soooo much for this great information u the best

[SkyeWindbinder]

When you do his kind of job, you take the good with the bad. He has to face criticism, but also a lot of praise. It's not all that bad.

Again, I already know this. But even Yoshi is human. I'm sure the whining can at least get to be annoying. But as I said, he does have a lot of patience. And as you said, it's really not always bad.

If you weren't intent on calling people "crybabies", "whiny" and all that, without knowing them or their motives, I wouldn't have chided you. Maybe you didn't notice that your choice of words was confrontational to begin with.

And being confrontational against people that are already discontent does nothing else than making the situation worse. It does SE or Yoshi no favors when they try to douse the flames and those that think they are on their side throw more fuel on them.

The fact that I made my statement against people who's motives are more than clear when they're whining tells me that you obviously are the one who doesn't understand motives. And you're quick to jump the gun, which can land you with egg on you face really fast. People whining about not getting an alpha invite and how they should have one because they have been long-time subscribers of FF14 have motives that are not only transparent, but they literally STATED THEIR MOTIVES right there!! lol So really, I have no idea what you are even trying to get across.

It's THOSE types of people that I was speaking of. The entitled whiners who cry about not getting an alpha invite for reasons that make sense only to them in their little world. And I'm not trying to help Yoshi or anyone else. I'm merely stating how annoying those kinds of people are with their consistent QQing. And you got ticked off real quick. Which you really shouldn't have, unless... you're one of said people...

The problem isn't just that people didn't get access to the Alpha. I couldn't care the less about that.
It's that people that had active accounts got passed in favor of people that didn't, while the form clearly stated in all available languages that only those with an active account were eligible.

And THOSE posts I have absolutely no problem with whatsoever. Legit concerns, yeah, I can get behind those. It's complainers, whiners, and QQers who are simply butthurt they didn't get into alpha that are getting sickeningly repetitive.

This is a serious lapse in communication, and people that are discontent about it have a degree of justification in that. It's also the kind of thing the press LOVES to cover, if given the chance. An off-hand accusation of false publicity is great to drive the controversy and the hits on websites.

Again, you are making it out to be more serious that it really is, lol. It's only really that serious to people who are merely angry that they didn't get into alpha. The worst that happened is that a few people didn't get in to test, which includes me, by the way. And again, sites are going to trash FFXIV, no matter what. Yoshi sneezing the wrong way will bring about harsh criticism for this game. So, really, people not getting into alpha is just getting stretched out of proportion.

The fact that they already do it isn't really a good reason to provide them with more ammo, isn't it?

Actually, if you're going to make a game, you can't tread on eggshells about what a few reviewers might say. Especially sine you know they're waiting to trash the game anyway. These people already have their ammo. They're loaded, and ready to shoot. All Yoshi and his team can do is do what they plan to with the game, how they plan to do it.

[Shougun]

Actually, if you're going to make a game, you can't tread on eggshells about what a few reviewers might say. Especially sine you know they're waiting to trash the game anyway. These people already have their ammo. They're loaded, and ready to shoot. All Yoshi and his team can do is do what they plan to with the game, how they plan to do it.

I'm not in the game review industry (actually you are talking to someone who is.. *pokes Abriael*) but I highly doubt they purposely attempt to trash games. Having read a lot of reviews they more often then not give games better credits they they deserve (opinion). That isnt to say a game never gets a bad review and you thought it was excellent but that makes sense because of course its still opinion.. But game review sites attempt to capture the essence and importantly what their audience will find useful reading.

[SkyeWindbinder]

I'm not in the game review industry (actually you are talking to someone who is.. *pokes Abriael*) but I highly doubt they purposely attempt to trash games. Having read a lot of reviews they more often then not give games better credits they they deserve (opinion). That isnt to say a game gets a bad review and you loved it because of course its still opinion but again.. game review sites attempt to capture the essence and importantly what their audience will find useful reading.

Perhaps,vbut I have read more than my fair share of highly questionable reviews by some of these reviewer sites (cough, IGN, cough). And it's cool that Abriel is into that kind of profession, but he seems to have hair-trigger judgment that can be hazardous in his line of work. lol

[Abriael]

The fact that I made my statement against people who's motives are more than clear when they're whining tells me that you obviously are the one who doesn't understand motives.

Quite the contrary. Having been in basically every major MMORPG beta since Ultima Online (and many minor ones), I understand people's motives very well. They're hardly as easy to identify and as black and white as you believe.

Some people are just butthurt. Some people are disappointed because they genuinely want to contribute to the development of the game, some people simply air their frustration not because they have some kind of grudge or because they feel entitled, but because as part of a community, they think in a rather naive way that other people will express their support instead of shooting them down. There are a lot of different motives and a lot of shades of grey.

People whining about not getting an alpha invite and how they should have one because they have been long-time subscribers of FF14 have motives that are not only transparent, but they literally STATED THEIR MOTIVES right there!! lol So really, I have no idea what you are even trying to get across.

Nope. That isn't stating a motive. That's stating a belief. And that belief has been created by Square Enix themselves, as the fact that active subscribers were the only ones eligible to the alpha was clearly stated in the application form. When a developer tells paying customers A and then does B, it's not unjustified for the paying customer to be disappointed and voice that disappointment.

And you got ticked off real quick. Which you really shouldn't have, unless... you're one of said people...

See what I mean, you're doing it again. You're second guessing my motives without knowing anything about me.

I got ticked off because I know that a certain amount of disappointment is quite justified in this situation, given the communication blunder, and I find people so ready to jump to the throat of people that are already (rightfully) disappointed rather distasteful.

It happens with every testing. People are always very ready to attack those that are already disappointed, making everyone's disappointment worse. It's bad and it really paints the community in a sad light.

And THOSE posts I have absolutely no problem with whatsoever. Legit concerns, yeah, I can get behind those. It's complainers, whiners, and QQers who are simply butthurt they didn't get into alpha that are getting sickeningly repetitive.

I'm sure there are people that are just "butthurt", but I don't know their percentage, nor you do. So I don't necessarily assume that everyone that complains belongs to that group like many here are doing, nor I go ahead and second guess their motives.

Again, you are making it out to be more serious that it really is, lol. It's only really that serious to people who are merely angry that they didn't get into alpha. The worst that happened is that a few people didn't get in to test, which includes me, by the way.

Nope. It's serious to anyone that knows that a company giving their customers wrong information often can lead to serious issues.

[quioe]And again, sites are going to trash FFXIV, no matter what. Yoshi sneezing the wrong way will bring about harsh criticism for this game. So, really, people not getting into alpha is just getting stretched out of proportion.[/quote]

Actually, if you're going to make a game, you can't tread on eggshells about what a few reviewers might say. Especially sine you know they're waiting to trash the game anyway. These people already have their ammo. They're loaded, and ready to shoot. All Yoshi and his team can do is do what they plan to with the game, how they plan to do it.

When you have a loaded rifle pointed at your face, encouraging the killer to shoot isn't exactly a sensible course of action.

[Munba]

Yoshi-p is always on the first line and among the players to respond to everyone, like a father that shows and explains things to his sons. For that reason, he's a great director.

[Abriael]

I'm not in the game review industry (actually you are talking to someone who is.. *pokes Abriael*) but I highly doubt they purposely attempt to trash games. Having read a lot of reviews they more often then not give games better credits they they deserve (opinion). That isnt to say a game never gets a bad review and you thought it was excellent but that makes sense because of course its still opinion.. But game review sites attempt to capture the essence and importantly what their audience will find useful reading.

Oh, some do, believe me. No one that I would bear working with, of course (if any of my writers did something of the sort in any way that I could detect, I'd have a serious talk with them and the rest of the editorial team, and it could easily lead to termination), but I could name a large number of people that openly think that Square Enix deserves a "lesson", and that spare no chance in trying to administer it.

of course Square Enix isn't alone there. Electronic Arts is another good example. Many journos, even highly respected ones, have this warped idea that they're the vigilantes of the industry, and they need to "punish" the evil corporation of their choice with their almighty pen, instead of dedicating themselves to actual reporting.

Of course there are a whole lot of fair, intelligent and relatively unbiased (relatively because absolute lack of bias doesn't exist in any form of journalism. Anyone that tells you he's unbiased lies, and he knows it) ones, but if you look attentively, you'll easily be able to spot the rotten apples.

[nokinator]

LOL you two need a room... good read though with good facts