Global Alpha Test Start Date

[Soukyuu]

Again, all they have to do is to deny such wild theories officially. I'll definitely believe whatever they say unless I'm shown conclusive evidence of the contrary.

The evidence is the fact that it's says so on the application form. Going by your argumentation, even if they said "no, it's working like it should, active account required", you would still not believe them.

But deleting the thread that includes the complaint gives me all kinds of bad singnals. I would also mention that by taking it upon yourself to take a confrontational stance with those that are dissatisfied in the presence of a potentially serious PR blunder, you do SE no favors.

That's why a moderator has the "lock" button, which is what has been used in previous, equivalent cases. Mind you, that thread was no duplicate, as it asked about a very specific issue, that wasn't included in the others, that are generic complaints about not being invited.

Again, the "climbing mirrors" metaphor comes to mind.

The judgement on whether delete, lock or merge topics lies by the moderator. If people on the english forums would finally get it into their heads that opening 10 different threads on the same topics with different formulations doesn't do anything except inciting spam of repeated posting in all those 10 threads, we'd see less deletions sending wrong signals. Other language forums don't seem to be having this problem, why does this one do?

Ruk... just answer one question for me plz...

In ARR is the gra.....

I mean hows the lag so far?

The alpha starts on the 28th, I think the servers are still down.

[Abriael]

The evidence is the fact that it's says so on the application form. Going by your argumentation, even if they said "no, it's working like it should, active account required", you would still not believe them.

Climbing mirrors again I see. That's the evidence that such a rule exists, not that it hasn't been broken. The allegations state that the rule has been broken, not that it was never mentioned to begin with.

SE has nothing to lose and everything to gain by officially refuting the allegations, if they are false, that is.

The judgement on whether delete, lock or merge topics lies by the moderator. If people on the english forums would finally get it into their heads that opening 10 different threads on the same topics with different formulations doesn't do anything except inciting spam of repeated posting in all those 10 threads. Other language forums don't seem to be having this problem, why does this one do?

But that thread was not on the same topic and didn't just have a different formulation. It was on a very specific issue not covered by any other thread that I saw. You're digressing, I'm afraid.

And no, no serious moderating team leaves the decision to delete or lock threads to the sole discretion of the single moderator, there are policies in place, regulating how to respond to any specific situation (and they are in place mainly to avoid PR blunders), and previous issues shown us that the policy for this kind of case isn't deletion. Also, deletion of a whole large thread over an issue of duplication is not considered kosher in any forum handled seriously, which is why it looks very suspicious here.

[Soukyuu]

Ok, let's try this...

I just got my brother to sign up for alpha.
His account was not active ever since the payment started.
The application was accepted.

Your turn, SE. And I hope it's not thread deletion.

[Exn]

Also, deletion of a whole large thread over an issue of duplication is not considered kosher in any forum handled seriously, which is why it looks very suspicious here.

Not to mention that the thread that was deleted was not a duplicate of any of the current threads. In fact it was started before, and had way more responses than any of the other threads remotely related to it with the exception of this one. I'm pretty sure they didn't delete the 2nd largest thread due to a 'duplication' issue and just leave the remaining small threads laying around.. Hard to say why it was deleted though, most of the time we'd just get a lock with a short spiel about what went horribly wrong lol.. This time they chose a different route.. just got rid of the whole thing and acted like it was never there. Heck, I even think my post count went back down lol! /shrug

[Delsus]

Climbing mirrors again I see. That's the evidence that such a rule exists, not that it hasn't been broken. The allegations state that the rule has been broken, not that it was never mentioned to begin with.

SE has nothing to lose and everything to gain by officially refuting the allegations, if they are false, that is.

If there was a problem with the system they would have picked it up instantly, people here just think because people are posting about not getting in then most actives didn't get in over inactives.

People are believing the a friend of a friend of a friends friend told me that they got in without an active account, with no evidence at all.

The last player's poll showed that the majority of the community does not post here, what if they got in, or does posting actively on these forums give us entitlement to alpha?

[BruceyBruceyBangBang]

Personally, I will test if I'm called to, but I happen to be more fine with not getting selected because I'd like to not be sick of the game by the time it's launched.

Only reason I applied was so that if I was selected they at least had one person who was testing rather than treating it like it was a demo. Which is most likely the majority of the whiners who didn't get selected.

[Naraku_Diabolos]

I would be okay with the Alpha, but I would be ready with the Beta. And everyone, even if someone does get accepted to the Alpha, you CANNOT play until the 28th (Wednesday). That's when it opens.

[Abriael]

Ok, let's try this...

I just got my brother to sign up for alpha.
His account was not active ever since the payment started.
The application was accepted.

Your turn, SE. And I hope it's not thread deletion.

Which is actually rather weird, because when the application was opened multiple friends of mine tried to apply but were bounced because their account wasn't active.

Evidently something changed in running. It may just be an honest mistake mind you, but in that case owning up to it and posting an apology would go a much longer way than sweeping the problem under the rug.

If there was a problem with the system they would have picked it up instantly, people here just think because people are posting about not getting in then most actives didn't get in over inactives.

the post I just quoted above yours shows that a problem is indeed present. Wheter the rule was changed without communication, or a technical problem prevented it from applying, it's rather evident that inactive accounts can indeed apply to the test.

[Delsus]

Ok, let's try this...

I just got my brother to sign up for alpha.
His account was not active ever since the payment started.
The application was accepted.

Your turn, SE. And I hope it's not thread deletion.

It may have been accepted but who said it will be in SE's database come selection, it may not be there now even, just a flag saying he has already applied stopping him applying again, he will just not be included in the selection next time round.

Acknowledging receipt of an application is meaningless unless he gets in. I have had many job applications acknowledge receipt of them, but a lot less giving me an interview, this is no different.

[Faiyez]

Sorry

How about thinking of a better way to go about engaging this community on the issue?

The largest, most active, most modded threads on the En Masse forums were the Elin censorship threads and even those were never deleted.

Deleting entire threads without warning is the lazy way out.