Global Alpha Test Start Date

[vax]

They never said an active account was required to be selected for Alpha Testing.

They said an Active account was require to Apply for Alpha Testing.

But that is the same? or not?

Since if your account is inactive before 30 sept you can't active it to play, in other word you can't join alpha?

[DantesAmore]

For myself, I just need SE / community rep confirming whether inactive account able or not able to apply the alpha....

they just need to confirm it or denied it. Making vague stance like this just make me worry. Hope there wont be any breach of their account management system

Application Requirements
- Must currently have an active FINAL FANTASY XIV account
- Must be at least 18 years of age
- Must be willing to participate actively and submit bug reports in at least one of the following languages: Japanese, English, French, German
- Must have a PC that meets the minimum system requirements of the game



they gave us that as the requirements LONG ago check site for further info

[Aion]

Application Requirements
- Must currently have an active FINAL FANTASY XIV account
- Must be at least 18 years of age
- Must be willing to participate actively and submit bug reports in at least one of the following languages: Japanese, English, French, German
- Must have a PC that meets the minimum system requirements of the game



they gave us that as the requirements LONG ago check site for further info

duh I know that, the issue comes up because some user claims their relatives able to apply alpha without active account

[Soukyuu]

If this is not true the why is everyone feeling so entitled, if inactives are not getting in why all the butthurt, people believe inactives are getting in, a messed up script possibly but I do not believe anything unless I see the evidence....

I had the same stance as you before I saw an inactive account passing the check with my own eyes. Ultimately though, this doesn't matter. If those inactive players get in but don't log in, the login ratio will drop, which means we will get a new wave of invites. Yes, it's silly inactives are getting in in the first place, but hey, mistakes happen. It just means there is a certain delay for some people.

As to why people rage about not getting in is beyond me. It's just a stress test. The majority of the content isn't in, as stated in the interviews.

[Abriael]

Yes, it's silly inactives are getting in in the first place, but hey, mistakes happen. It just means there is a certain delay for some people.

Mistakes happen, and I'm very willing to be forgiving towards them when they are recognized and amended. That's why we're all here in the first place no? This whole game is a big mistake, but SE recognized it and is trying to make amends.

I feel much less willing to be forgiving if the mistake is swept under the rug without so much as a word, though.

I know you are on attack mode but I didnt mean it as an excuse. I meant it as a way to effectively talk about SE position on the matter. SE obviously isnt following the expected/general idea of what it means to be active - so inorder to effectively discuss the conversation it may be best to realign information.

SE obviously was following the expected/general idea of what means to be active, as lapsed accounts were initially bounced as the application was opened, and were bounced for weeks.

Either some system problem caused the rule to change, or SE changed it intentionally. In the first case, fessing up and apologizing would go a long way, in the second case, that kind of rule changes need to be communicated, for the sake of transparency and even to allow those that tried to initially apply but couldn't to retry.

Honestly, there's no angle I could look at it that justifies SE's current behavior.

If it's a mistake, you apologize.
If it's a change in policy, you communicate it.
If it never happened, you deny the allegation officially instead of deleting the thread about it.

Communication and transparency are always the key in PR. SE seems to have learned this lesson quite a bit ago, so this seems a rather large step back.

[Shougun]

SE obviously was following the expected/general idea of what means to be active, as lapsed accounts were initially bounced as the application was opened.

Either some system problem caused the rule to change, or SE changed it intentionally. In the first case, fessing up and apologizing would go a long way, in the second case, that kind of rule changes need to be communicated, for the sake of transparency and even to allow those that tried to initially apply but couldn't to retry.

Just saw it in another thread - didnt know they where bumping them originally. I wonder if the apps got into the system even though it said it was bumping them.. lol

I agree with what you're saying btw (previously too), though good luck getting SE to say anything except "Please look forward to the next batch of invites" lol.

[Delsus]

I had the same stance as you before I saw an inactive account passing the check with my own eyes. Ultimately though, this doesn't matter. If those inactive players get in but don't log in, the login ratio will drop, which means we will get a new wave of invites. Yes, it's silly inactives are getting in in the first place, but hey, mistakes happen. It just means there is a certain delay for some people.

As to why people rage about not getting in is beyond me. It's just a stress test. The majority of the content isn't in, as stated in the interviews.

As I say, you saw a receipt of acknowledgement not someone getting in, if the final event did mess things up, they may have added a check to the script that selects, therefore it will either take only evidence an inactive got in, or your brother getting in another wave to show inactives are being selected or of course an official statement from a rep.

[DemonFury]

As i do agree that inactive players should not have been invited due to the fact they know not enough about the game and its story-line to be of any help in actually testing a game the fact is that they were and nothing anyone can do about it.

Those that are whining that they are active and did not get an invite would most likely not serve as a good tester anyway they just want to play the game which is not what this is.

This is a testing situation where in you log on the game test as many parts of the game as possible and report back to SE with various Bugs and glitches that were not yet fixed so that they can be fixed not to test out strategies so that when the game goes live you can have a boost ahead of everyone else.

[Abriael]

Those that are whining that they are active and did not get an invite would most likely not serve as a good tester anyway they just want to play the game which is not what this is.

Doesn't it occur to you that many are passionate about getting into the alpha because they want to contribbute to making ARR a better game?

Considering the amount of dedication it took to stick with this game, I don't see it as such an unrealistic possibility. Second guessing the motives of people you don't know doesn't exactly work very well when trying to bring a sensical argument.

Many consider testing a game they're passionate about not only a responsibility, but also a honor, as they're allowed to give their (little as it may be) contribution to the game's development, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that.

[Wynn]

Doesn't it occur to you that many are passionate about getting into the alpha because they want to contribbute to making ARR a better game?

Considering the amount of dedication it took to stick with this game, I don't see it as such an unrealistic possibility. Second guessing the motives of people you don't know doesn't exactly work very well when trying to bring a sensical argument.

I don't know about anyone else but I don't see that. What I see is a group of people who see this presumed golden ticket into the alpha/beta as a status symbol and an entitlement that should have been handed to them without question.

Nobody is blowing up these forums because they are devistated about not hunting down and squashing bugs. People who genuinely want to help in that capacity aren't going to come here and complain about how it is bs they weren't offered a voluntary position nor are they going to start trumping up conspiracy theories about how the system was rigged against them.

If you offer to help your neighbor mow her lawn but she tells you that her nephew is coming to do it so that won't be necessary, do you tell her that's unfair? Do you complain to her that you really feel you care more about her lawn because you live right next to it every day so you should get to mow it? No! That is not the behavior of someone who wants to volunteer help. That is the behavior of a person who feels entitled to some possession, their precious.

There isn't some genuine benevolence in this. What these players are really angry about is that they believe they are more deserving of the magical tester status than the people that were randomly selected for the test.

Everyone knows it, even them, so there is little benefit in pretending about their real intentions. It isn't going to help them in any capacity.