Quote Originally Posted by Elexia View Post
Exactly, since we know above all that Yoshida wants to take all feedback to heart, if you're telling people to not complain or show concerns..they won't realistically get the feedback they'll need if you're trying to overpower the other side of the argument.
I myself wouldn't tell people not to complain, but I would say they should be very direct with their complaints and less vague about them. That the criticism is constructive is important above all. Often what we're getting is people complaining to complain. I suppose that makes them feel better, but it doesn't tell Yoshi how to improve the game.

Rather than say "I don't like x thing I saw", state why and be detailed in describing what could be done to improve it. Stating that you think something looks silly isn't really a valid criticism at all and too many people have opinions based on no more than a comment like that.

Point? There's a proper way to show or voice concerns.



This is the main thing some people haven't really thought about, they can change anything at any time, but Yoshida always says: "Please tell me(us) how you feel about (x)", yet you have some people saying they're not allow to tell them how they feel unless it's absolutely positive or else it's considered trolling.

No one can deny if you tell people to "shut up" about issues things won't always end up well, which is exactly what alpha and beta are for, which is why when they post alpha videos they say, in the post itself, to leave feedback and tell them what you think.

It's all on the same coin. This is why we always end up with MMOs with bad launches besides technical aspects, because you always get that group of players who tell people they aren't allowed to show concern lol. While to be fair it doesn't help developers make testing as demos nowadays, you rarely see people showing concern simply because of their excitement for wanting to play it.
While I agree with you, I don't really believe being told to shut-up actually results in people doing it. Online gaming communities are pretty open and people can express their points of view at any time. If another player tells you to shut up, you'd be a fool to sacrifice your rights just because someone told you to shut up. By that I'm trying to say I don't think being told to shut up effects very much.

To me, the only way ARR can fail is if Yoshi and crew don't take player concerns stemming from the beginning until now to heart. Player feedback is key but some of it is really shitty. Like, what were they smoking while they suggested this shitty? So they have to sift out the bad from the good as far as player feedback goes while understand that like tons of other products, sometimes people DO NOT WANT what they're asking for.



Honestly, if you're obsessing over anything at any state you're simply showing concern. If you read Yoshida's latest words, even for an Alpha they wanted it to be really polished, which means it's open to be critiqued, which is why aside jumping because thats purely a personal matter, concerns about animations for example you have people shoot down because "it's just alpha"..usually by now you have the gist of what they're doing with it, usually only shaders and base animations are missing from alpha and sometimes beta..however we also heard they purposefully removed animations especially for PvP, this is why people show concern, because SE is willingly to axe assets so what do you determine is because it's "just alpha" or that's really how they want it to be?

That's why you show concern even early on and hope they will actually respond to you.
That I don't believe. I think obsessing over small details prematurely results in players being overly concerned about some issues and ignoring others because they are just in such a fury over whatever it is they've set their brain to focus on. Calm down, look at the big picture, analyze carefully what you see and experience, think about it for a while. Don't go seeing jumping(for example) and start readying your pitchforks! There is still plenty of time and the developers are listening. If they see 1 thread that is well done and 10 that are just kind of moaning, that 1 thread will a world of good better than the latter threads.

I'm trying to spell out that after players have stated their concern, complaining and moaning and lamenting its existence will at some point be pointless; the devs understand your concern since they do read. You don't have to go full mode on it just yet.

Again, I'm not telling people to ignore problems or not bring them up...just to go about it the right way. SE doesn't have to listen to up but we hope that they will. To me the best changes come about when players can play the game and let the dev make changes slowly while we are able to play it and report accurately, over time, over feelings. FFXI wasn't great overnight and neither will ARR.