My heart just fell totally...

[Forgo]

The Final Fantasy online games for the most part don't have alot of those clowns except when FFXI launched on the PS2 and later on the 360 we had an influx of them.but most didn't stay long.FFXIV will probably get the same on the PS3 release and alot of those whiners will leave after the 30 days free are up so i'm not worried!

lol i was a ps2 clown....i think i went to PC later though cause you know its better >.> but i see what your saying and its true people coming from game systems to a mmo base forget that they are not the only person playing

[Fossil924]

lol i was a ps2 clown....i think i went to PC later though cause you know its better >.> but i see what your saying and its true people coming from game systems to a mmo base forget that they are not the only person playing

Same i still have 2 PS2's and 2 copies of the launch game(2 Hdd's) plus the a mint copy of the Vanadiel 2008 collections as well as the last 360 version.My account is still active,but i never play it anymore.I missed the last 2 weeks before servers were taken down we got slammed by Hurricane Sandy and had no power,heat or hot water for 2 weeks...><,My Blm was 45

[Geiger]

Sorry if someone's mentioned this, but I got the feeling servers would be abolished in 2.0? The way Yoshi-P mentions that there will be 'hubs' for each region, but that you can still use one from outside your region, makes me think that basically the servers will be hoppable at any time. For example, Champions Online doesn't have servers but it does have different worlds that people get allocated into depending on which one are full. And of course if your friends are playing on this server you can move to this one, and so on. I'm just assuming because he did call them 'hubs' for a while, and if he wanted to say server he would have just said server.

That said, not sure how the "new servers for PS3/new players" will be included in what I just explained.

[Malik]

I agree with this system they want to add. I've used it in WoW its very convenient. People always say in xiv well if you want to get things done..do it when the elites are doing it..no thanks ill do it when I want to do it..these elite clicks in this game really hurt players that want to learn the dungeons or primal fights. The content finder system allows them to learn the battles at there own pace with random players also looking to learn it..it sure beats seeing "exp only" shouts. Yoshi wants to appeal to the masses and he has some great ideas..as much as I love XI.. how many years is it now and the party system in that game is still awful.. and the player #s these days are insanely low.

[Yolteotl]

The Final Fantasy online games for the most part don't have alot of those clowns except when FFXI launched on the PS2 and later on the 360 we had an influx of them.but most didn't stay long.FFXIV will probably get the same on the PS3 release and alot of those whiners will leave after the 30 days free are up so i'm not worried!

Actually never noticed any of that with the PS2, since the game was originally developed and available for the PS2 before the PC. When there was the influx of any large number of players unfamiliar with the game into FFXI it happened. When the American PC version came out it happened, American PS2 again, EU/(CoP or ToAU can't remember) again, 360 yet again... And with the release of ARR it's quite logical to assume it would happen again, not simply because PS3 but because of the large number of new subscribers on PC or PS3 with a (re)launch as is true for all online games.

It's kind of hard to justify how cross-server Content Finder is bad for a game cause with that type of mechanic if it's 'bad for you' all u have to do is not use it and play the game as if it wasn't even there. Because it would be hard to prove how it would be bad for the product as a whole since it doesn't allow/disallow anyone any access to any facet of the game. It just leaves the possibility of finding something you want done and aren't finding enough local support for in comparison to the time you have available to seek for it. For example, back when ToAU FFXI and ppl who were behind on CoP spending months /sh'ing prolly would think this would have been a wonderful addition.

The only down-side I see to cross-server Content Finder is that when people want to do something they got behind on even less people than in 1.0 will be willing to help and just tell em to 'go do it through Content Finder" instead of spending the 10-30 minutes the person needs assistance on actually helping them. I was also one of those people that would help ppl just because i felt sorry for em for trying so hard and /sh'ing for so long in 1.0 and everyone would ignore them for hours, when the content took up so little time if u actually helped them.

There's a reality of this negative image in 1.0 that alot of late additional players to the game felt unless they were lucky and were picked up into an active social LS, and SE doesn't want that to happen in ARR.

What it does do is already have a system in place for cross-server PVP tournaments so that they can occur whenever the devs feel like instead of rare in-person LAN parties like they had to do for FFXI.

[Fossil924]

We'll the console crowd which aren't MMO people for the most part are very young wether it's the 360 or a PS3 they have little respect for anything or anyone and that's a sad fact.I've been on XBL since it was beta tested and been playing online games since the first good PS2 game Socom and seen both grow alot,but the core players for both haven't changed at all in fact they seem worse.My biggest gripe with a PS3 version is it affecting FFXIV like the PS2 version did FFXI .Most PS3 games that are on both systems run better on a 360 because of it's simularity or compatibility to PC OP Windows anything.I mean SkyRim,Cod Black Ops II,Fifa,Madden and so many games had issues.I remember after the Original launch of FFXIV and would see PS3 talking about not being able to wait for the PS3 version and trying to explain that the launch version could never run on the PS3 or the 360 the hardware just can't handle it hell i had a Acer gaming rig with GTX460 vid card and it still had a few issues.I know its a new game engine,but the fact is the PS3 is a 6 year old system with a 6 year hardware/video card and no cards from that far back could handle FFXIV on PC never mind any console and again i know it's a new game engine,but the PS3 is an old system.For the record i only kept my launch PS3 for FFXIV and will most likely buy a new slim PS3 since it is 6 years old and a new system should run better overall.

[IndigoDarkwolf]

Off-topic, but I'm not so worried about PS3 and FFXIV.

I don't think performance will be an issue. The White Engine that FFXIV was based on arguably performed best on the Playstation 3, and Square seems highly confident that the new engine for 2.0 that borrows from Luminous will scale effectively across a broad range of hardware, though some graphics features may only be available on PC.

I don't think memory will be an issue, either. Square has, so far, released every major content expansion for FFXI on PS2. The PS2 only had 36MB of memory, compared to the PS3's 512MB, albeit split into 256MB GPU and 256MB CPU. If Square can do that, it's hard to see how they couldn't manage a similar feat for FFXIV. Though I would expect PC to have more graphical options and detail.

[SkyeWindbinder]

X-server grouping is not the problem. Players being a douche is the problem, and that's going to happen whether you have X-server grouping or not. So we might as well go with it so we can have the convenience. Besides, if the thought of using it scares you so much, here's a thought:

Don't use it.

That way, you won't be bothered with it, and everyone who wants it can still have it. Everyone wins!

[A_Hortensia]

We'll the console crowd which aren't MMO people for the most part are very young wether it's the 360 or a PS3 they have little respect for anything or anyone and that's a sad fact.

No, that's something you just made up; has almost nothing to do with the topic.

I started FFXI shortly before PS2 launch, and then transferred over to my PS2 once I got the hardware.
I had just turned fourteen. I had never played an MMO before. I was just a Final Fantasy enthusiast.
I swear I had a better reading comprehension than most individuals I encountered, regardless of their age.
Having never played an MMO and just being a huge FF fan didn't ever occur to me as any kind of disadvantage. I had a desire for learning and knowledge. I wanted to get better, I printed the same amount of synthing recipes off of Allakhazam as everyone else.

Not having an MMO background I think actually made my life easier in FFXI. I had played the earlier Final Fantasy titles. I rationalized XI as FF1, with FF5's job system: multiplayer. I played FF9, and FF4-6 multiplayer on several occaisons.. XI was largely the same thing except with more players. I had that old fashioned "grind to succeed" mindset (that interestingly enough I acquired from other titles I didn't know Tanaka worked on.).

I befriended a HUGE quantity of like minded people over all of my years(PS2, PC, 360, whatever). FFXI and FFXIV remain to be the only MMOs I've ever played, and I just turned 23 and I'm still paying for XI. The point isn't that I'm awesome. (I already know that.) My point is that I wasn't an exception. No one should have xenophobia towards console anything, certainly and especially not when it comes to a Final Fantasy title.

There was never a problem with "PS2 people vs PC people". Amazingly enough, humans were still human regardless of what method they were experiencing the game. They had the same capacities to be intelligent or dumb, rude or polite.
Teenagers like myself both played on PC or PS2, college aged young adults played on both, grown people with all their ducks in a row played on both systems.

The XI PS2 limitations might have been a myth, or a lie, who knows. They're supposedly making the new expansion for the JP PS2 users also. Someone said "PS2 limitations" back in 05-06. Probably not the case since Treasures, WotG, 6 add-ons, and a whole bunch of updates have been added since the old days.

Games that run better on one console vs another, is usually due to the software company not making the port correctly, and has very little to do with the actual system itself. For every instance of PS3 doing it better, there's an instance where 360 does it better, and another instance where they're both pretty much the same. Keeping that in mind, I know a lot of PS1 and PS2 games that play better than their own systems than they do on the PS3.

They are building everything XIV exclusively to the PS3. There won't be any limitations or problems because they aren't just making a port of the PC software, they are totally custom building all their content to play perfectly and perform differently. As far as I'm aware, different engines, different everything, same servers.

Finally on the topic again..

This system is to alleviate the frustration of being stuck on content, and spending all day idle in town shouting for just 3 more members. Players who didn't play XI, have it a lot easier than they think.. but it's going to get worse, and it's not good enough.

FFXIV: "Oh, I've been shouting for this mission for 3 weeks now and no one wants to help me. "
FFXI: "I've need to do the CoP Ouryu fight for about 2 years now... "

Both of these problems need to go away, and this system alleviates that "maybe", if you find yourself in that situation. It's not going to make the game easier for anyone, it's just going to alleviate the stress of wasting hours of your time doing nothing. Linkshells, static parties, and server community should still be strong.

You ever take a huge amount of family members to a theme park and you waste most of your time deciding what to do next or where to go, and you wind up not getting anything you wanted done?: Final Fantasy XI. (XIV also)

[Forgo]

No, that's something you just made up; has almost nothing to do with the topic.

I started FFXI shortly before PS2 launch, and then transferred over to my PS2 once I got the hardware.
I had just turned fourteen. I had never played an MMO before. I was just a Final Fantasy enthusiast.
I swear I had a better reading comprehension than most individuals I encountered, regardless of their age.
Having never played an MMO and just being a huge FF fan didn't ever occur to me as any kind of disadvantage. I had a desire for learning and knowledge. I wanted to get better, I printed the same amount of synthing recipes off of Allakhazam as everyone else.

Not having an MMO background I think actually made my life easier in FFXI. I had played the earlier Final Fantasy titles. I rationalized XI as FF1, with FF5's job system: multiplayer. I played FF9, and FF4-6 multiplayer on several occaisons.. XI was largely the same thing except with more players. I had that old fashioned "grind to succeed" mindset (that interestingly enough I acquired from other titles I didn't know Tanaka worked on.).

I befriended a HUGE quantity of like minded people over all of my years(PS2, PC, 360, whatever). FFXI and FFXIV remain to be the only MMOs I've ever played, and I just turned 23 and I'm still paying for XI. The point isn't that I'm awesome. (I already know that.) My point is that I wasn't an exception. No one should have xenophobia towards console anything, certainly and especially not when it comes to a Final Fantasy title.

There was never a problem with "PS2 people vs PC people". Amazingly enough, humans were still human regardless of what method they were experiencing the game. They had the same capacities to be intelligent or dumb, rude or polite.
Teenagers like myself both played on PC or PS2, college aged young adults played on both, grown people with all their ducks in a row played on both systems.

The XI PS2 limitations might have been a myth, or a lie, who knows. They're supposedly making the new expansion for the JP PS2 users also. Someone said "PS2 limitations" back in 05-06. Probably not the case since Treasures, WotG, 6 add-ons, and a whole bunch of updates have been added since the old days.

Games that run better on one console vs another, is usually due to the software company not making the port correctly, and has very little to do with the actual system itself. For every instance of PS3 doing it better, there's an instance where 360 does it better, and another instance where they're both pretty much the same. Keeping that in mind, I know a lot of PS1 and PS2 games that play better than their own systems than they do on the PS3.

They are building everything XIV exclusively to the PS3. There won't be any limitations or problems because they aren't just making a port of the PC software, they are totally custom building all their content to play perfectly and perform differently. As far as I'm aware, different engines, different everything, same servers.

Finally on the topic again..

This system is to alleviate the frustration of being stuck on content, and spending all day idle in town shouting for just 3 more members. Players who didn't play XI, have it a lot easier than they think.. but it's going to get worse, and it's not good enough.

FFXIV: "Oh, I've been shouting for this mission for 3 weeks now and no one wants to help me. "
FFXI: "I've need to do the CoP Ouryu fight for about 2 years now... "

Both of these problems need to go away, and this system alleviates that "maybe", if you find yourself in that situation. It's not going to make the game easier for anyone, it's just going to alleviate the stress of wasting hours of your time doing nothing. Linkshells, static parties, and server community should still be strong.

You ever take a huge amount of family members to a theme park and you waste most of your time deciding what to do next or where to go, and you wind up not getting anything you wanted done?: Final Fantasy XI. (XIV also)

I was kinda on the same boat when i started FFXI but i started on ps2 and was a loner there for awhile but people back then where nicer then now but most are people that stayed and became vets.

Which is what i think will happen here, people will get the mindset that they made this far and want to keep going up but don't take time for the new guys popping in, which we all where at some time ago. Though with ARR we are all new guys again just with higher jobs and some clue on whats going but that don't mean the real new guys should be left behind