[Request] Completely Revamped MATERIA SYSTEM! Idea for NO Gambling Mechanics.

[Dragonheart]

After the recent (very bad imho) info, that in ARR the materia system will remain the same but with more chance of multiple melds. I decided to open a dedicated topic about my personal idea that i hope you'll like.

I'm tired of the gambling mechanics of melding to be honest. Bring on the change!

Reasons for a completely new materia system: AVOID THE GAMBLING MECHANICS!
AND GIVE MORE VALUE TO PLAYERS EFFORTS!


Examples for Crafted Gear:

-Normal Quality gear: 1-2 "Materia Slots" depending on level and craft difficulty.
-High Quality gear: 2-3 "Materia Slots" as before, depending on level and craft difficulty.

Make the melded gear "Sould Bound (Rare/ex)" after you equip it.


Examples for Rare/ex Gear considering that "Difficulty Switch" was confirmed time ago. (Dungeon/raid drops, Company gear etc.)

- "Normal Mode difficulty" (Including GC gears) : 1-2 "Materia Slots" depending on level, and company seals cost (for example, an high rank item that costs 25k seals should have 2 materia slots, while lower rank just 1 slot. Same for dungeon/raid drops. The final boss of a dungeon drop should have 2 slots, while the bosses in the middle just 1 slot).

- "Hard Mode difficulty": (not including GC gear, because an hard mode it's supposed to be really harder than farming company seals.) 2-3 "Materia Slots" . (Like before, bosses in the middle of dungeon/raid should drop 2 materia slots gear , while the final boss should drop a gear with 3 materia slots.)


PROS:

-NO GAMBLING MECHANICS
-More Incentive for crafters to make both normal and expecially HQ gear.
-High positive impact on game economy, thanks to the "soul bound" items (no more item re-sell = more demand of item from crafters) + more value and use of materia because it should be placed on "rare/ex" (dungeon, raid, CG gear) gear too.
-Real efforts/skilled gameplay (hard modes)> luck/grinding/money based mechanics.
-Rewarding BOTH Hardcore and Casual (just think about players coming from others mmo) players.
-And of course.. NO STRESS! OR PRAYS for multiple melding!


CONS

-People whining that they can't sell meled gear after they equiped it.


REQUISITES to make this happen!

-Allow Materia Meld on Rare/EX gear (highly requested from community).
-Reduce the base stats of Rare/EX gear, due to Materia Meld allowed.




I hope that this is clear even if my english isn't that great.

And of course I'd like to know what do you think about this system!
Thank you guys!

[Reika]

I think insdead of reducing the base stats of the U/U gear, Reduce the effect the materia has on it. Like if you put a 20str materia into some U/U gloves, it instead gives 10str.

[Dragonheart]

I think insdead of reducing the base stats of the U/U gear, Reduce the effect the materia has on it. Like if you put a 20str materia into some U/U gloves, it instead gives 10str.

Let's suppose that we have

-Cobalt cuirass with + 10 str as base stat
- "rare ex cuirass" with + 25 str as base stat

both with 1 materia slot, then the rare/ex gear it's too much over powered in this case,
but if they lower the value at about 15, it will be ok! Of course i'm speaking about the already existing gear.

Another example, imagine that you're allowed to put 2-3 materia on a Darklight with same old stat... well it would be a "bit" too much lol.. So resizing, stats of already existing item it's a must for this "revamped system."

[Reika]

Even if you reduce the base stats of it by 10, it will be the same as just halving the gain of materia in the U/U item. 15 + 20 = 35, 25 + 10 = 35. Even if you allow more slots, halving the gain wont make U/U gear OP in that stat by adding more materia as it would a non-U/U item.

Going back to gauntlets, Darklight gauntlets have only 9 strength. Give them 2 slots with halved materia effects, you could get 20 more strength from them makeing it 29.

Cobalt gauntlets have no stregth at all, but with 2 slots and normal gain, you can get 40 strength in them, but of course Darklight gear has other stats in it, still making them overall better choice, and the crafted item is simply to work for the darklight.

You also really cant reduce the stats of some of the darklight gear enough that 2 materia wouldn't make it OP. Like how far can you reduce 9 str so that adding 40 strength wouldn't make it OP? It's best to reduce the effects of materia on them instead.

[Stanislaw]

Few things. Rebuttals welcome.

-More Incentive for crafters to make both normal and expecially HQ gear.

This would be false. Because you will only need one gear to meld multiple materias, demand will fall and normal and HQ gears will sell slower, hence less incentive for crafters to make gear (with the exception of gears used to create materia).

-High positive impact on game economy, thanks to the "soul bound" items (no more item re-sell = more demand of item from crafters) + more value and use of materia because it should be placed on "rare/ex" (dungeon, raid, CG gear) gear too.

This would also be false. Because materias will not blow up, unless the rate in which materias are produced change there will be tons of materia on the market, sending materia prices plummeting. While more options to place materia is good, of course, and bound items will generate a little more demand, it does not compare to the impact one has when consumption is taken out entirely.

-Rewarding BOTH Hardcore and Casual (just think about players coming from others mmo) players.

It could be argued that this is already in place. Casual = one meld. Hardcore = multiple.

All in all, while I necessarily don't agree with the current materia gambling mechanic system, I understand the necessity of it in order to keep the markets going. I feel the current system is in place for a reason, and if a change is needed the cons will need to be more thought out instead of just looking at the pros.

[Guevara]

Sounds a nice base idea, imho.

I would only add a more straightforward way to obtain materia. from spiritbonded gear and rare materia dropped off mobs (HNMs, Raid bosses, etc...)

[debola]

i disagree with the op. I really don't think they should make melding 100%. Someone else already said this in the other melding post but i don't wanna go looking for it so imma just paraphrase.

Melding is one of the huge ways gear goes out of the system. THere would be a massive clog in the wards and in people's inventories without it. Melding/spritibonding is quite necessary in this game as a sink.

[Reika]

Well instead of making it 100%, Make it so the gear doesnt always crumble on the fail. Instead you just lose the materia you tried to put in.

Especially if they plan on making Melded crafted the baseline to starting for higher instance dropped gear. Things like that only allow the lucky to progress, and I don't want another one of those.

[Felis]

It shouldn't be 100% at the start.
But it would be nice if we can increase somehow the success rate like HQ crafting.
SE could bring a melding stat
Melding Food: melding stat: +5% (max: +10)
Materia (only for tool): melding stat: +15 (tier IV)
Craft level : melding stat: +(craft level*1,5)

+10 = +1%

[Reika]

On that, I think melding should be just like crafting instead of leaving it to /pray. However, with melding you have to reach a certain level of quality for it to be successful.

1 Materia = 0 quality

2 Materia = 75 quality

3 Materia = 150 quality

4 materia = 225 quality

5 materia = 300 quality

all quality starts at 0 reguardles of item quality for melding.