[Speculation Discussion] Our Primal

[Alaltus]

There's a big opportunity to introduce the 12 (well, 13 technically) 'Zodiac Espers' as fallen counterparts to the Twelve Gods of Eorzea.

Back when 1.0 started, I wondered if they would eventually go down that route - it would fit quite well in this game.

I was going to say louisoix could come back as the 13th sword of the knights of the round =P

Edit: You know how there are 12 swords in that sealing spell and they are in a circle... what i am saying is that the twelve could be the knights of the round just needing one more. The knights of the round in ff7 were the only summon more powerful than the strongest bahamut too.

[Orophin]

The Twelve ARE primals.

I was going to hold off adding that as number six until someone said it, lol.

Interesting theory, but how would this explain Bahamut? Would he be Rhalgr the Destroyer, somehow went rogue then got sealed up? Rhalgr is one of The Twelve..why would we pray to them to save the world, when one of them is bent on destroying it? This doesn't hold a lot of water with me. :x

[Fantasia]

Interesting theory, but how would this explain Bahamut? Would he be Rhalgr the Destroyer, somehow went rogue then got sealed up? Rhalgr is one of The Twelve..why would we pray to them to save the world, when one of them is bent on destroying it? This doesn't hold a lot of water with me. :x

I don't think they meant that the Twelve are the Primals that we see the beastmen using, but that they're different Primals altogether (Similar to what Anonymoose, Zantetsuken, and I are trying to illustrate, with them being "Espers" from previous games which also followed the Zodiac relationships)

[Wynn]

I don't think they meant that the Twelve are the Primals that we see the beastmen using, but that they're different Primals altogether (Similar to what Anonymoose, Zantetsuken, and I are trying to illustrate, with them being "Espers" from previous games which also followed the Zodiac relationships)

Odin has a different classification from "normal" primals. They are calling him an Elder Primal. Perhaps the Twelve are all Elder Primals and beings like Ifrit and Garuda are lesser primals, demi-gods if you will.

[Warlock]

Odin has a different classification from "normal" primals. They are calling him an Elder Primal. Perhaps the Twelve are all Elder Primals and beings like Ifrit and Garuda are lesser primals, demi-gods if you will.

Bahamut is also an Elder Primal. ppl keep mentioning Zodiac in all this can't help but think that each one of the 12 could have it's armor set in game (that would be so cool) just like the Anime of the Zodiacs hahaha and you would get the armor of the deity you chose

[Fantasia]

Odin has a different classification from "normal" primals. They are calling him an Elder Primal. Perhaps the Twelve are all Elder Primals and beings like Ifrit and Garuda are lesser primals, demi-gods if you will.

I think Primals like Odin, Alexander, and Bahamut are possibly too 'strong' to want/need to be worshipped, and just happen to be aetherial beings that exist. I can't wait to actually get involved with the ARR story! =$

Bahamut is also an Elder Primal. ppl keep mentioning Zodiac in all this can't help but think that each one of the 12 could have it't armor set in game (that would be so cool) just like the Anime of the Zodiacs hahaha and you would get the armor of the deity you chose

Patch 1.23b added rings from each of The Twelve, and you only got to use the one to whom your character was aligned. It would be AMAZING to be able to get full sets of armour moulded on/around your sign, too =D

[Wynn]

Interesting theory, but how would this explain Bahamut? Would he be Rhalgr the Destroyer, somehow went rogue then got sealed up? Rhalgr is one of The Twelve..why would we pray to them to save the world, when one of them is bent on destroying it? This doesn't hold a lot of water with me. :x

My theory is Bahamut is the dragons' primal or even possibly a very powerful, ancient dragon king.

To answer your other question, the primals aren't necessarily bent on distroying the world, they just want our undying devotion to them as we bow down and call them gods... and feed them crystals. They have this bad habit of sucking the life energy out of the planet, but meh, no god is perfect.

Louisoix even said that summoning the twelve could be very bad and taxing on the land, but the alternative was worse so they had to try to summon them.

Who knows. Maybe the original summoning of the twelve to entrap Bahamut is what made the Allagan Empire disappear in the first place.

All speculation of course, but I find it to be a very compelling theory.

[NoloeTazier]

I want some of whatever he's been smoking to make all this baseless speculation

Not exactly baseless when you follow the story.

The Echo is a special ability that some rare individuals possess, and an important part of Final Fantasy XIV's storyline. Those that have been 'gifted', as the members of the Path of the Twelve calls it, have the power to resonate with other people's souls - and see their past, albeit not able to interfere or change it, as well as being able to speak every language in the world. It has been reported that this power is awakening over the last ten years, with no signal of its existence before that time.

So it appeared around the time when the Primals were released at the Battle of Silvertear Skies, hmm interesting. Siren has never been brought up except for the concept art of her, but the hints in game of her presence are there. Someone talked to us when The Echo was awakened within us. Nothing wrong with associating the singing and the voices with Siren. People claim to hear voices all the time, but atleast in this game it can actually be a real voice.

My theory is Bahamut is the dragons' primal or even possibly a very powerful, ancient dragon king.

To answer your other question, the primals aren't necessarily bent on distroying the world, they just want our undying devotion to them as we bow down and call them gods... and feed them crystals. They have this bad habit of sucking the life energy out of the planet, but meh, no god is perfect.

Louisoix even said that summoning the twelve could be very bad and taxing on the land, but the alternative was worse so they had to try to summon them.

Who knows. Maybe the original summoning of the twelve to entrap Bahamut is what made the Allagan Empire disappear in the first place.

All speculation of course, but I find it to be a very compelling theory.

Dravnians worship Bahamut yes.
The Allagan empire was destroyed in Fourth Umbral Era.
The Fourth Umbral Era's element was Earth.
So Bahamut didn't directly destroy the Allagan Empire, but if they drained the land of aether and caused instability, along with suffering massive casualties, just to seal him away. Then he indirectly caused the Fourth Umbral Age. We don't know if they used the same method to seal Bahamut, Cid told us it was a machine and I would think the Garleans would have a better perspective of what it actually was because their technology is based on the Allagan Empire. A Machine or "The Twelve," could just be a different name for the same outcome.

[Fantasia]

We don't know if they used the same method to seal Bahamut, Cid told us it was a machine and I would think the Garleans would have a better perspective of what it actually was because their technology is based on the Allagan Empire. A Machine or "The Twelve," could just be a different name for the same outcome.

I'd say it's incredibly likely that it was the same method of sealing him, since in the final video, during the imprisonment spell, The Twelve had starting constructing a planetary shell that looked EXACTLY like Dalamud did. If they used machines to seal him then it's strange that The Twelve's method resembled it so immensely.

[Alaltus]

I'd say it's incredibly likely that it was the same method of sealing him, since in the final video, during the imprisonment spell, The Twelve had starting constructing a planetary shell that looked EXACTLY like Dalamud did. If they used machines to seal him then it's strange that The Twelve's method resembled it so immensely.

Could it not be both? i mean a machine created through magic?