[Speculation Discussion] Our Primal

[Doho]

On the Alexander evidence, erh... other races use machines. Kobolds, Goblins?

[Anonymoose]

Siren was already confirmed to be boss content, so it'd be quite odd if we had to fight our own Primal.
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seeing Alexander as ours makes sense.

Remember, we did fight Alexander, so fighting our own primal wouldn't be so strange (Even if it did end up being Siren). The sylphs specifically say that the Primals darken hearts and bring destruction. If a primal other than our worshipped Twelve got involved with us, it'd make sense that we'd try to take it out.

We're devoted to The Twelve whereas Primals are beastmen-orientated.

That's also stated by the Path; but just because we're devoted to The Twelve doesn't mean that something OTHER than The Twelve is what's giving us The Echo. Personally, I think that they've stated too many times that something other than our own gods might be getting involved giving us the Echo to discount it entirely just because we prefer The Twelve.

Then again - Yoshida-san's post sounds pretty specific, no? Retcon?

On the Alexander evidence, erh... other races use machines. Kobolds, Goblins?

Good point! Edited.

I'd also like to bring into play that many of those who learn that we have The Echo, especially the Emprie, consider it extremely negative. It could very well be that this is because it deviates from The Twelve.

[Ricky]

I'd imagine each of our races has one, because all 3 of your suggestions make sense in light if recent info. That horse sound at the end of "End of an Era" when Louisoix smiles implies to me that Odin appeared and slapped Bahamut out of the sky

Also Louisoix is supposed to be alive or at least possible to see him again in ARR based on some Reinhart translations from yesterday

Unfortunately most of the summons we're aware of seem claimed by beastmen so I don't know who would represent Roegadyn. I was going to say Leviathan (sp?) bit Sahagin seem to have him claimed

[Mudd]

I was under the impression that Nophica was the one singing to us.
However, I've really no evidence by which to stand on beyond that she is of the Second Moon (Second Month) and Dalamud was the literal Second Moon ;v

Edit: Also, I wonder if they will take Alexander and make it so it's a machine fortress created by the Garleans infused with the spirit of a Primal so that they can fully control it.