Job Individuality/Pride/Dedication

[Vyrion]

As much as I loved the Amory System and wish it to come back so the Job System to just go away.... Really I HATE the job system in this game btw. I know that isn't going to happen, the Job system is here to stay, and as things goes it looks more and more likely that Classes DoW and DOM are going to be made more obsolete. My main reason for hating it so much is cause the game is going to feel more like a clone of FFXI, but the Armory System gave it some hope, but it was developed right and in order for it to really work again the Game needs to have Physical Levels back. The Point Allotment makes no sense without the Physical Levels and the Jobs too make it kind of useless to have a Point System when each Job needs to have certain stats in order for it to work effectively.

So it saddens me to say it the only real use of the Classes is that sort of base element needed to obtain the Jobs. Sighs... I miss the Old Thaumaturgy... the Job System butchered it so badly....

[Crevox]

The Point Allotment makes no sense without the Physical Levels and the Jobs too make it kind of useless to have a Point System when each Job needs to have certain stats in order for it to work effectively.

So it saddens me to say it the only real use of the Classes is that sort of base element needed to obtain the Jobs. Sighs... I miss the Old Thaumaturgy... the Job System butchered it so badly....

Yeah, point allotment is dumb in my opinion. It's extremely limited and every class has 2 main stats that they need, so just pump them into those two stats. I guess it's nice for those people that want to be different.

There's still use in classes, but it really does depend on the class. With the large rebalancing coming in 2.0, who knows what will be good and what won't. For your example, Thaumaturge was often preferred over Black Mage because of Sacred Prism + Sanguine Rite... and a lot of people didn't want to play Black Mage due to the lack of White Magic (Raise, Cure).

[Reika]

Yeah, point allotment is dumb in my opinion. It's extremely limited and every class has 2 main stats that they need, so just pump them into those two stats. I guess it's nice for those people that want to be different.

There's still use in classes, but it really does depend on the class. With the large rebalancing coming in 2.0, who knows what will be good and what won't. For your example, Thaumaturge was often preferred over Black Mage because of Sacred Prism + Sanguine Rite... and a lot of people didn't want to play Black Mage due to the lack of White Magic (Raise, Cure).

Or because they butcherd black magic to the point of mindless playability...... O a single target - Thunder. O 3 targets - Fire. /drool z z z z z

[Crevox]

Or because they butcherd black magic to the point of mindless playability...... O a single target - Thunder. O 3 targets - Fire. /drool z z z z z

Thaumaturge is black magic so I don't know what relevance this holds to my post.

They already said they're adding new spells, which hopefully will mix up the rotation.

[Reika]

Thaumaturge is black magic so I don't know what relevance this holds to my post.

They already said they're adding new spells, which hopefully will mix up the rotation.

Well then same for THM, i just didnt bold that part because it didnt match the 'didnt want to play it'.

And sure they are adding new/old spells in ARR, but that doesnt erase the fact that they butchered the 1.0 Black mage needlessly.

[Davorok]

I think that this "elitism" in 1.xx was mostly due to these 3 reasons:

1) A limited player base

2) The limited player base having most if not all jobs maxed at 50.

3) The limited player base having completed the content runs (AF pieces, Job Skills, Primal Weapons, etc.)
(plus)
3a) The limited player base just doing Speed Runs.

I got "replaced" in many groups because I did not already have the AF pieces even though the dungeon we were gonna do was where you got the AF from because they just wanted to do speed runs.

I know many people have similar examples but these situations will be greatly reduced with a Larger & Newer Player Base.

[Soukyuu]

I know many people have similar examples but these situations will be greatly reduced with a Larger & Newer Player Base.

I don't think so, to be honest. Most likely, new players will be taught by the "old elite" what the "right way" to do content is.

It was mentioned multiple times that in many cases you get refused because it's not "optimal" (time wise) to let you play your class. The devs said speedruns won't be the way to get loot, so maybe this will improve the situation somehow.

Also, the new battle system is supposed to rewards skillful play. This could end up in a "suboptimal" job dealing more damage as the "optimal" one simply because the player is more proficient with the "suboptimal" one.

[Corleone]

I would bet all my gil that if there was no power leveling and it was still a challenge to reach 50 on a job then you (OP) wouldn't feel the way you do about your job and its uniqueness because there would be tons of players who still only had a few capped battle classes. If I did the math right, which I probably didn't - it took me 4 months to get my first 50, so on that pace with no breaks from the game I would still only be 6/7 on battle classes TODAY. Instead, across 2 characters I have a total of 9 battle classes capped and that's with taking breaks from FF to play Rift, SWTOR, Tera, TSW and GW2. As I've said before, Power Leveling and the massive increase in EXP gains that were patched (I know PL wasn't purposely added -- or was it? *conspiracy theory* :O ) into the game destroyed a lot of what the original armory system gave us.

EDIT: To be more clear on my point, I think the problem isn't that anyone can be your class too... I think its that its way too easy for anyone get your class to 50 as well.

[Hart]

I would bet all my gil that if there was no power leveling and it was still a challenge to reach 50 on a job then you (OP) wouldn't feel the way you do about your job and its uniqueness because there would be tons of players who still only had a few capped battle classes. If I did the math right, which I probably didn't - it took me 4 months to get my first 50, so on that pace with no breaks from the game I would still only be 6/7 on battle classes TODAY. Instead, across 2 characters I have a total of 9 battle classes capped and that's with taking breaks from FF to play Rift, SWTOR, Tera, TSW and GW2. As I've said before, Power Leveling and the massive increase in EXP gains that were patched (I know PL wasn't purposely added -- or was it? *conspiracy theory* :O ) into the game destroyed a lot of what the original armory system gave us.

EDIT: To be more clear on my point, I think the problem isn't that anyone can be your class too... I think its that its way too easy for anyone get your class to 50 as well.

QFT

Getting to 50 is a joke, even without powerleveling.

[Aerenvel]

1. Most of recent energy has been focused on ARR
2. They are implementing dyes so you can make your char more unique
3. AF armor isnt end all be all gear which you seem to confuse it with and REAL AF gear takes time to get and you know the devot class.
4. AS time goes by and more and more content is released that focus will be magnifed.
5. Play with nicer people build relationships with those around you or an mmo can be a lonely game.
6. Cant compare 11 and 14 really two different beasts ofc lvl99 vs lvl50 content margine is obviously different. 10yr/improved on vs 2/remaded so not even a full 2 yet.
7. Be excited for ARR sure its full of more suprises then you know.