SE wants to make the game better?

[Jennestia]

If you wanted FF11 you can go play it.

People need to get over it.

FFXI was exactly what a Final Fantasy MMO should be, and XIV should have been an evolution of this -- it wasn't. This is why people "want FFXI" in FFXIV.

Or retitle this one to Rapture and no one will ever want FF features again.

[northernsky]

People need to get over it.

FFXI was exactly what a Final Fantasy MMO should be, and XIV should have been an evolution of this -- it wasn't. This is why people "want FFXI" in FFXIV.

Or retitle this one to Rapture and no one will ever want FF features again.

Yup thats the point, the OP doesn't ask for an evolution of the good things of XI, it asks for the exact same things.

For instance, I think the anima system (even though it needs polishing), the ability to change job on the fly and the option to toggle AOE on/off for basically all spells (yes they need to adjust spell power accordingly) are great improvements or evolutions over XI.

Also I would appreciate a place to relax and manage my retainer that is private and that is not the market wards, but I don't want a MogHouse specifically.

I don't mind upgrading the good concepts from XI, but I clearly don't want to see the same mechanics, I expect a different experience in XIV

[Kilta_Firelotus]

ran outa room

death has always just been an announce/ waste of time. And ffxiv was to be less time consuming. I think many people are getting less time consuming mixed up with easy. As i said and will say repeatedly.
A game can be as easy or as hard as you want it. All it needs to be is fun.

SE didn't make ffxi easy the players did.

[gifthorse]

People need to get over it.

FFXI was exactly what a Final Fantasy MMO should be, and XIV should have been an evolution of this -- it wasn't. This is why people "want FFXI" in FFXIV.

Or retitle this one to Rapture and no one will ever want FF features again.

You don't get to decide what a FF MMO should be.

Final Fantasy fans said FFXI shouldn't have been labelled a Final Fantasy because it didn't follow in the footsteps of every single player game befor it, and it's beyond funny to see you repeating the same sentiments.

"FFXIV doesn't deserve the title of Final Fantasy because it doesnt adhere strictly to FFXI."

Please, don't make me laugh.

There are many faults with FFXIV, but they should be isolated and discussed upon by their own merits, not in reference to some boring Everquest clone, which is basically all FFXI ever was. If it wasn't my first real MMO, I wouldn't even give FFXI the time of day.

[Corrderio]

You don't get to decide what a FF MMO should be.

Final Fantasy fans said FFXI shouldn't have been labelled a Final Fantasy because it didn't follow in the footsteps of every single player game befor it, and it's beyond funny to see you repeating the same sentiments.

"FFXIV doesn't deserve the title of Final Fantasy because it doesnt adhere strictly to FFXI."

Please, don't make me laugh.

There are many faults with FFXIV, but they should be isolated and discussed upon by their own merits, not in reference to some boring Everquest clone, which is basically all FFXI ever was. If it wasn't my first real MMO, I wouldn't even give FFXI the time of day.

I need to agree with the bold, FFXI/XIV shouldn't have been part of the mainstream series. They should have been a side series like Tactics is.

[gifthorse]

I need to agree with the bold, FFXI/XIV shouldn't have been part of the mainstream series. They should have been a side series like Tactics is.

Yeah, it makes no sense why they included an MMO in the main series.

And maybe that's their first failing: looking at an MMO like a single-player game with multiplayer option.

But at the end of the day it's just a name. And although the inner obsessive compulsive in me demands everything be ordered according to type (single players FF games being separate to MMO FF games), I also think players should just get over their personal hang-ups and definitions of what a FF should be.

[Jennestia]

You don't get to decide what a FF MMO should be.

Square does, as they've commented that XI was made to be a representative FF title -- not to mention common sense, when you slap Final Fantasy on the title of something you expect certain things, why do you think people disliked Mystic Quest? Why do you think people are love/hate with Final Fantasy XIII?

Why do you think they slapped the Final Fantasy title on a clearly SaGa game?

[gifthorse]

Square does, as they've commented that XI was made to be a representative FF title -- not to mention common sense, when you slap Final Fantasy on the title of something you expect certain things.

Common sense dictates that expectations differ from person to person.

When I look at FFXI, I just see an Everquest clone with Final Fantasy franchise smothered over it.

[Malakhim]

Square does, as they've commented that XI was made to be a representative FF title -- not to mention common sense, when you slap Final Fantasy on the title of something you expect certain things, why do you think people disliked Mystic Quest? Why do you think people are love/hate with Final Fantasy XIII?

Why do you think they slapped the Final Fantasy title on a clearly SaGa game?

You were right about the first point and only part right about the second.

The only group that has the final say so in "what makes a Final Fantasy game" is Square-enix, much like anyone else who owns a property. You can either take it or leave it.

As for expecting certain things, everyone has different expectations on what makes a Final Fantasy game. I for example, don't expect certain things be included in the game like chocobos, summons, blah blah blah. Rather, when I see "Final Fantasy" on the title of anything, I simply expect a quality game that I'm going to enjoy. Usually a high level of audio/visual fidelity, design aesthetic, interesting and iterative combat systems, and a story and characters I can enjoy.

This is how I can avoid falling into the trap of "this isn't a "true" FF because of _insert reason here_!", because to me, all Final Fantasy is is a name that I associate with a quality game(obviously a bit subjective to my experience just like any other piece of artistic media).

[Rutelor]

There are many faults with FFXIV, but they should be isolated and discussed upon by their own merits, not in reference to some boring Everquest clone, which is basically all FFXI ever was. If it wasn't my first real MMO, I wouldn't even give FFXI the time of day.

I'm going to have to differ with you there! I played years of both games, EQ and FFXI, and the idea that the latter was a clone of the former will make very little sense, I assure you, to anybody familiar with both games. Either that, or the word clone means a very peculiar thing to you. Not to say that there isn't an influence, perhaps even certain mechanical similarities, but your statement seems to me like an overshoot.

R