Why do we have to dwell on meaningless issues?

[Yrusama]

A lot of you mention that if people aren't happy with the choices made in the game they should simply leave. The same is true for the forums. I'm not even sure why I keep coming on here, because I agree a lot of the complaints are trivial (even some of mine). This place is a great way to kill brain cells.

[Laiferr]

Hello! I'm sorry to hear you were angered by my thread. I appreciate the topic isn't for everyone. Likewise, there are many topics I don't like on this board, but I just read them and then close the tab. Not everyone is going to like the same topic. 'Variety is the spice of life'

I think if we're going to talk about problems with this forum, we might want to address the issue of reading comprehension. Take yourself, for example, CSLionheart. You berate my thread, going on to talk about swimsuits, phrasing it in such a way as if I denoted I had an issue with them. That's quite unusual, considering the third paragraph of my opening post talks about swimsuits and why I was OK with them. It's quite strange people would take the time to scorn a thread, yet seemingly didn't comprehend the most basic of its content. Perhaps they only read the title?

So we now have another thread which, after ten pages, people are still lambasting my thread as hating on sexy gear. It's really strange, since if you actually take the time to read the thread, I don't ever say that I feel there should be no sexy gear. If you actually read the thread you'll notice I joke about subligars, say I like the breast size option and don't mind the coliseum gear. It's quite weird how people read things which aren't there!

But, hey, I got what I wanted from the discussion, some others actually understood what I was talking about, even if they politely disagreed with me but according to others I'm a basement dwelling ugly purist nerd who is most likely a man, hates all sexy gear, doesn't want a breast size option and thinks large chests are sexist. It's quite extraordinary, slightly amusing, but a little sad

So on this topic, can anyone suggest another discussion board where the level of reading comprehension is a bit higher? I had been warned about this forum, but I wasn't aware of any decent alternatives. thanks!

[Azurus]

Hello! I'm sorry to hear you were angered by my thread. I appreciate the topic isn't for everyone. Likewise, there are many topics I don't like on this board, but I just read them and then close the tab. Not everyone is going to like the same topic. 'Variety is the spice of life'

I think if we're going to talk about problems with this forum, we might want to address the issue of reading comprehension. Take yourself, for example, CSLionheart. You berate my thread, going on to talk about swimsuits, phrasing it in such a way as if I denoted I had an issue with them. That's quite unusual, considering the third paragraph of my opening post talks about swimsuits and why I was OK with them. It's quite strange people would take the time to scorn a thread, yet seemingly didn't comprehend the most basic of its content. Perhaps they only read the title?

So we now have another thread which, after ten pages, people are still lambasting my thread as hating on sexy gear. It's really strange, since if you actually take the time to read the thread, I don't ever say that I feel there should be no sexy gear. If you actually read the thread you'll notice I joke about subligars, say I like the breast size option and don't mind the coliseum gear. It's quite weird how people read things which aren't there!

But, hey, I got what I wanted from the discussion, some others actually understood what I was talking about, even if they politely disagreed with me but according to others I'm a basement dwelling ugly purist nerd who is most likely a man, hates all sexy gear, doesn't want a breast size option and thinks large chests are sexist. It's quite extraordinary, slightly amusing, but a little sad

So on this topic, can anyone suggest another discussion board where the level of reading comprehension is a bit higher? I had been warned about this forum, but I wasn't aware of any decent alternatives. thanks!

I am going to be completely honest honest with you, and i hope you can respect that as I am not trying to attack you per se, even though you seem to have not problem doing it in this post, but your OP was for lack of a better term "weak".

You claim people did not read your thread yet I read your post and the entire thread after (mistake on my part). You kept changing what you wanted people to take from the thread and it was really easy for people to be fixated on gear and what not as you DID mention it, with the whole picture of the hyur in coliseum thing, and other instances. While if you really dig in to it and connect imaginary dots some could extrapolate other issues you had problems with, but you were very vague. You pulled very small issues you saw, that largely seem to be your own personal experience according to others in the thread, and twisted them to inject a politically charged debate in to a video game.

It is like the dev team makes one joke during a conference then they go home and lock their wives in the kitchen. The problem is people are going too far with their politics and it is making the game less enjoyable as well as the forums.

but i digress, maybe instead of attacking an entire forums reading comprehension you should work on your ability to confidently and clearly express ideas. I know I am not the only one who noticed that your tone and "what you were trying to get across" seemed to "evolve" as the thread went on.

[Laiferr]

...with the whole picture of the hyur in coliseum thing, and other instances....
but i digress, maybe instead of attacking an entire forums reading comprehension you should work on your ability to confidently and clearly express ideas. I know I am not the only one who noticed that your tone and "what you were trying to get across" seemed to "evolve" as the thread went on.

I didn't post any pictures in the thread. You clearly can't empathize with what I was talking about, and you know, that's fine; some people aren't going to. But just to say 'it's going too far with politics and it makes the game less enjoyable' - that is just your opinion. For me it would make the game more enjoyable if there was equality (I'm not sure how equality would make the game less enjoyable, but I can accept for some, they like seeing the imbalance). I am allowed to have mine and you are allowed to have yours. That doesn't mean either of us should be told to not post them. I don't go into threads about subjects I disagree with and start telling the OP they should have never posted, or making threads about how people should stop posting about opinions on developer decisions because I disagree with them. I'm also not denying the examples I gave were small ones. I said in the thread several times it's not a huge deal, it's more just food for thought on where things might go. I don't particularly want to go more in-depth with my own experiences.

You are right, what I said did evolve as I was responding to people and taking in other ideas. The core of the point and what most people seemed to be replying to and misunderstanding was the OP. I really don't mind dissenting opinions when they're explained and sensible, but for example, a three page discussion on breast size and people attacking me for ... apparently... not liking breast size option? I've been one of the people who wanted this option from the start, only mentioning it once in the thread with positivity... yes I think we have a problem with reading comprehension :/ I don't mind if people want to give constructive criticism on what was confusing about the post. I did edit in a disclaimer, if that helps, since I don't know if it was just too long for people to read it properly. I am happy to edit the wording or add summaries. Sorry if I came across rude I was honestly getting tired of being personally attacked/sworn at/insulted for opinions I don't have.

[CSLionheart]

I think if we're going to talk about problems with this forum, we might want to address the issue of reading comprehension. Take yourself, for example, CSLionheart. You berate my thread, going on to talk about swimsuits, phrasing it in such a way as if I denoted I had an issue with them. That's quite unusual, considering the third paragraph of my opening post talks about swimsuits and why I was OK with them. It's quite strange people would take the time to scorn a thread, yet seemingly didn't comprehend the most basic of its content. Perhaps they only read the title?

So we now have another thread which, after ten pages, people are still lambasting my thread as hating on sexy gear. It's really strange, since if you actually take the time to read the thread, I don't ever say that I feel there should be no sexy gear. If you actually read the thread you'll notice I joke about subligars, say I like the breast size option and don't mind the coliseum gear. It's quite weird how people read things which aren't there!

Hey Laiferr, thanks for taking the time to reply. I admit I made this topic sound a little bit more targeted than I had originally intended. But I want to be clear that despite any differences of opinion there are no hard feelings So there's really no need to get defensive. That being said, there are a few things I'd like to clarify.

First, I realize that it's not the sexy gear itself you're concerned with. It's the inconsistency between the male and female versions of said gear. That much, I understand, and I think you're actually making a valid point. However, you seem to have overlooked the fact that I did indeed touch upon this fact in my post. Allow me to refresh your memory:

Furthermore, how can you possibly blame the development team? Female swimsuits, and clothing in general tend to be more revealing than the male equivalent. This has nothing to do with the FFXIV dev team, this is what society has chosen to be the "ideal image" for a woman. If you don't like it, it's not this game you have a problem with, it's the real world.

As you can see, I wasn't accusing you of being against revealing gear. What I do have a problem with is your accusations of the development team, when the real problem is not them or this game, but society itself. Unfortunately, the media portrays women wearing rather revealing clothing, which defines our perception of attractive. Call me a white knight or whatever you want, but I don't think the dev team, which has put an incredible amount of hard work into this game for the sake of the players, deserves to be accused of something as ludicrous as gender inequality. I cite numerous examples from your post (see, I did read it!):

It seems to me the dev team are very much encouraging the objectification of females

Then to go as far as to say some people on the dev team have certain 'inclinations' as if it's a funny joke.

That's because it WAS a joke...is it really so bad for someone to admit they're attracted to the female body, jokingly at that.

Going through your post once again though, I find that last question of yours to be completely off-base and ridiculous, in spite of whatever sarcasm was intended:

This is also a complete aside; does anyone know if there are any females on the development team, or even the entire FFXIV team? Just curious.

Unfortunately I don't have an actual source for this at the moment, but you do realize that the main artist in charge of gear design is female, right? Anyway, I hope this clarifies things for you a little bit. I'm not sure if you'll even read this, let alone reply, but I figured it was worth a shot.

[Akujin]

Honestly I'm just hopeing these types of threads, all of these that focus on the sexism and marriage topics get shut down and soon.

Hate me if you like, I really, really do not care.

[Rhomagus]

I don't mind these types of threads. Especially after coming off of a Producer Letter that offered little in the way of new information.

-We now know the games delayed for two and a half months.
-Animations are... dun dun duuuun "lackluster" and will be for the foreseeable future
-Shiva was pictured but not mentioned
-Gear shown could just be class or GC gear. Not job announcments
-MNK will work differently but we already knew this

Most of it was a rehash of already released info and anything that was new was anticlimactic besides the ending video. With no game to preoccupy some of these people there has been an influx of XIV fans onto the forums.

Opinions will be made and consequences will never be the same.

Discussion is discussion, whether we're talking about the impact of breast physics or job and story speculation. The NA audience doesn't even have access to Alpha yet so everyone here is just blowing smoke out of their ass.

This includes OP and this very thread.

Threads about threads are more of a waste of time than the threads mentioned.

[Angelas]

The players are only responding to the Q & A set by the developers.. if they felt it was important enough to mention then why are we debating if its important enough to discuss?

[Mamba]

Someone in my LS faked his death

It was pretty cool I guess.

Omg i just read this thread and I actually felt sick for the people posting on that thread, it wasn't funny - it was a witch hunt.
I know totally off the topic but that's internet bullying no matter if the person lied or not. It strikes me so odd that no one thought that maybe this person was bullied by someone and didn't find any other way but to fake his death and jump servers?

Anyways, regarding this topic at hand...
I actually agree with the OP.
These forums really have the weirdest topics sometimes and I hope the dev team really filter past some of the crap that some can consider feedback.

[Punainen]

I agree completely. On the same sex issue, they aren't doing it because in the long run it could cost them millions in lost business by offending entire COUNTRIES of people. So what if you think those countries are 'closed minded'. Its what they believe and they aren't going to change their minds just 'cause you don't like it. So if you like SE at all, why would you pressure them to take such a substantial risk over an issue that wont REALLY make much of a difference for you? The risks FAR outweigh the benefits.
As for objectifying women...I also don't see it. I'm a woman, and I see no problem with breast physics. I'd also like realistic hair and clothing physics while they're at it too. The more realistic the animations, the better, and that includes breasts. They are a part of the female body, why should you be disgusted by them? Its not as though they're going to be going around topless.