Why do we have to dwell on meaningless issues?

[NinjaPanda]

I'd like to first point out that the irony of your post is beyond hilarious.
The fact that you bash on the same sex thread only shows me that you're either against it or you completely missed the memo about Yoshi-P asking us himself for feedback on the issue.
As for the sexism thread, as a woman I find it retarded but it's related to FFXIV and they are not breaking any rules posting it so it is well within their right to post and it is by far not the first thread like it and it won't be the last.
Have fun with this thread before it gets locked, this thread in itself is useless and serves no reason other than to complain about others opinions which I clearly remember a mod posting that everyone has the right to post as they wish as long as it pertains to FFXIV.

This seems a bit hypocritical if I do say. You are saying that these people ranting about sexism and same sex marriage have an ok, but the OP here doesn't?

[AmyNeudaiz]

This seems a bit hypocritical if I do say. You are saying that these people ranting about sexism and same sex marriage have an ok, but the OP here doesn't?

This thread does not pertain to feedback on the game as it only complains about other threads and thus has no place.

[NinjaPanda]

This thread does not pertain to feedback on the game as it only complains about other threads and thus has no place.

I wholeheartedly disagree. His concerns are that people try and focus on the game itself and less on the little nitpick details. He has made many statements that coincides with XIV, and speaks of a community where this really shouldn't be that big of a deal. You trying to belittle his opinion is more of something that doesn't have a place.

The point he was getting across was that all these things are not that important when it comes to the game, and honestly, it isn't. Do you think male characters are pissed off that when they wear a subligar it doesn't represent their accurate size of their penis? Seriously, the sexism and marriage agenda is just poppycock.

[Ingolf]

I wholeheartedly disagree. His concerns are that people try and focus on the game itself and less on the little nitpick details. He has made many statements that coincides with XIV, and speaks of a community where this really shouldn't be that big of a deal. You trying to belittle his opinion is more of something that doesn't have a place.

The point he was getting across was that all these things are not that important when it comes to the game, and honestly, it isn't. Do you think male characters are pissed off that when they wear a subligar it doesn't represent their accurate size of their penis? Seriously, the sexism and marriage agenda is just poppycock.

Subjective.

[AmyNeudaiz]

I wholeheartedly disagree. His concerns are that people try and focus on the game itself and less on the little nitpick details. He has made many statements that coincides with XIV, and speaks of a community where this really shouldn't be that big of a deal. You trying to belittle his opinion is more of something that doesn't have a place.

The point he was getting across was that all these things are not that important when it comes to the game, and honestly, it isn't. Do you think male characters are pissed off that when they wear a subligar it doesn't represent their accurate size of their penis? Seriously, the sexism and marriage agenda is just poppycock.

You say I'm belittling his opinion while defending his opinion that belittles the opinions of others after saying my post was hypocritical... Wow, just wow.

Let me point out my argument in a simpler manner so it's more clear.

Those threads have actual context behind them as they directly pertain to FFXIV, if he (or you for that matter) wanted to voice that those threads are not important then he should of posted in those threads his opinion as he has a right to. But this thread has nothing to do with FFXIV. This thread is a thread about threads. What happens to threads about threads? They get locked because they offer no feedback to the game.

[Tigercub]

Do you want a community where you feel welcome, even embraced? Where people have your back in general and you have theirs? It's not going to happen if we continue in this downward spiral of nitpicking.

We're tearing our community apart by arguing over the most inane crap imaginable. It's not a legal requirement to be contrary about everything while using the internet. If you disagree with someone, think about how important the issue really is, consider letting it slide. Nobody wants to play an MMO full of assholes who object to anything and everything - it's easier to go play a single player game. We all have the potential to not be an asshole. Seize it today. SE is doing their part, so do yours and make ARR a better place.

[Ingolf]

Do you want a community where you feel welcome, even embraced? Where people have your back in general and you have theirs? It's not going to happen if we continue in this downward spiral of nitpicking.

We're tearing our community apart by arguing over the most inane crap imaginable. It's not a legal requirement to be contrary about everything while using the internet. If you disagree with someone, think about how important the issue really is, consider letting it slide. Nobody wants to play an MMO full of assholes who object to anything and everything - it's easier to go play a single player game. We all have the potential to not be an asshole. Seize it today. SE is doing their part, so do yours and make ARR a better place.

These are forums, we debate here.

That doesn't necessarily mean we're going to be an asshole in game and scream in shout about everything we hate.

If we followed your mindset of just letting everything slide then there would be no point in forums, nor would there be any point in devs asking for feedback.

[Tigercub]

These are forums, we debate here.

That doesn't necessarily mean we're going to be an asshole in game and scream in shout about everything we hate.

If we followed your mindset of just letting everything slide then there would be no point in forums, nor would there be any point in devs asking for feedback.

I think debate is fine. I was just talking about nitpicking, people getting riled over tiny issues, and in general people taking debate to a personal level. It's reached a point in these forums where people seem to be looking for a fight and it's hard to say anything without someone throwing in an objection.

And not everything has to be a debate. Debate in most cases seems to devolve into argument. It's really easy to kill an upbeat thread by finding some little thing to nitpick at. Soon half the thread will be full of people flailing at each other.

[Ingolf]

I think debate is fine. I was just talking about nitpicking, people getting riled over tiny issues, and in general people taking debate to a personal and offensive level.

The thing is... What you define as nitpicking isn't necessarily what everyone defines as nitpicking.

I dislike that there's no turning animations in ARR. If this isn't important to someone they will see it as nitpicking. I see it as a real issue worth debate.

[Tigercub]

The thing is... What you define as nitpicking isn't necessarily what everyone defines as nitpicking.

I dislike that there's no turning animations in ARR. If this isn't important to someone they will see it as nitpicking. I see it as a real issue worth debate.

Well, like I said, I have no problem with debate. I also have no problem with whatever opinions you have on ingame issues. I never said otherwise. If that's what you read, you're reading into it too much. So, now that we've established that we have no disagreements there, I just want to ask: why did you make assumptions and nitpick at my posts? The minor issues I was talking about are exactly this kind of thing. I basically was suggesting we should all stop picking at each others words, and immediately you come along and pick at mine, jumping to conclusions. Is it that hard to let me have my opinion?

This is what goes on here on a daily basis. Every time I post I know I'm going to have to chase it up with 3 or 4 more posts of elaboration because somebody minced my words. You don't have to make people feel so uncomfortable in posting, you know.