Community name "Gathering Fatigue"

[Reika]

You might want to ask yourself why. Clearly this anti-RMT measure is doing its job.

If they got rid of gathering fatigue they would have to significantly reduce the amount of items obtained per gather. So how would you feel getting one log per gather, or one iron ore per gather maximum? How would you feel having to mine or log for eight hours to get what currently takes three?

You simply can't have it both ways. No matter which method SE uses, there HAS to be a limit on the amount of items a single gatherer can bring into the economy each day.

SP on the other hand, that's an entirely different thing but I've already made my points on that. Get rid of half SP on fails, make it full SP and there's the problem with gathering fatigue solved. A quick two minute fix that makes a huge difference.

have you seen how many shards are for sell in the wards? Do you think they should limit how much you can craft in a day before all your synthesis actions are all massive explosions, causing you to be inable to create anything? because there are RMT taking advantage of the fact the easiest crafting job to make money with has no such limitation.

[Xenor]

have you seen how many shards are for sell in the wards? Do you think they should limit how much you can craft in a day before all your synthesis actions are all massive explosions, causing you to be inable to create anything? because there are RMT taking advantage of the fact the easiest crafting job to make money with has no such limitation.

Crafting is different because it doesn't bring new resources into the game (apart from gil from NPCing items), you're simply using materials that already exist.

No sane gatherer wants there to be a situation where a player can bring unlimited mats into the game because the prices of everything you gather would hit rock bottom within days. They would be worth barely more than the price you get from an NPC. Look what happened to zinc, silver and obsidian ores during the period when everyone was soloing doblyns to rank up. Those ores because almost worthless.

As a crafter you may feel happy paying 500 gil per ore, but then why bother playing gathering classes at all? Only the rank 50s would benefit, because they won't need to gather again until new mats are added and then they can charge you 100k per darksteel ore while your MIN is sat at 1 because you had no motivation to rank it up due to everything being worthless.

[Reika]

Crafting is different because it doesn't bring new resources into the game (apart from gil from NPCing items), you're simply using materials that already exist.

No sane gatherer wants there to be a situation where a player can bring unlimited mats into the game because the prices of everything you gather would hit rock bottom within days. They would be worth barely more than the price you get from an NPC. Look what happened to zinc, silver and obsidian ores during the period when everyone was soloing doblyns to rank up. Those ores because almost worthless.

As a crafter you may feel happy paying 500 gil per ore, but then why bother playing gathering classes at all? Only the rank 50s would benefit, because they won't need to gather again until new mats are added and then they can charge you 100k per darksteel ore while your MIN is sat at 1 because you had no motivation to rank it up due to everything being worthless.

Not everyone sells their materials. Like I said, I'm one of the people that uses the stuff. If I want to go out and gather 4 stacks of Iron ore for my projects, I should be able to. Not be restricted and treated like some RMT. And they didnt even say the reason for doing this was to stablize the economy, they specifically said this is an anti-RMT action. and as said, you will see tons of gathered mats in the wards anyways, because RMT's gather in packs. they will come back with 30 stacks of material, while I can barely gather over one. fair? no.

Special tasks group should be the only anti-RMT system in place. and they should do their jobs faster on that note..

[Xenor]

Not everyone sells their materials. Like I said, I'm one of the people that uses the stuff. If I want to go out and gather 4 stacks of Iron ore for my projects, I should be able to. Not be restricted and treated like some RMT. And they didnt even say the reason for doing this was to stablize the economy, they specifically said this is an anti-RMT action. and as said, you will see tons of gathered mats in the wards anyways, because RMT's gather in packs. they will come back with 30 stacks of material, while I can barely gather over one. fair? no.

Special tasks group should be the only anti-RMT system in place. and they should do their jobs faster on that note..

It's no good saying "RMT can do this, RMT can do that" because RMT AREN'T doing it, and that's why the economy hasn't been wrecked yet for gathered materials. If RMT did what you said nothing you can gather would be worth anything and SE would be forced to make drastic changes such as limiting the amount of materials gathered even further than now. What you're asking for is all mats to be made pretty much free. That's not a healthy economy.

I think some people just don't get basic economics on these forums. When you flood the market, the price crashes. Allowing you to bring back 300 walnut logs or iron ore per day is not going to help you, it's going to make them worth nothing. Then you'll not even want to gather them to craft because your time would be better spent making money other ways and buying them off people stupid enough to gather worthless items.

It takes what, 300 yew logs to get from 30-40 and 600 walnut to get from 40-50? Do I really want to be able to gather all of that within a few days? Why bother playing botany afterwards then? To sell logs? No, the market is flooded now. It's no good saying "not everyone sells their materials" when you've not levelled a gathering class very high. You WILL be selling your materials because you will get way more logs than you will ever need taking botany to 50. The same applies with mining and any mat obtained there. You will want those materials to be worth something when you go to sell them correct?

I think I'll just leave this thread now. I've made my points and some people will just never get it.

[Reika]

All anti-RMT countermeasures programmed into the game need to go.

[BelgianRofl]

All anti-RMT countermeasures programmed into the game need to go.

Yes. Just keep a database of where all the money is going.