Community name "Gathering Fatigue"

[Peregrine]

The weird thing about "veteran" gatherers saying that there are "too many items" is that when I was trying to level cook I had to buy ALMOST EVERYTHING from an npc because botanists didn't feel like it was worth their time (or something) to sell cooking ingredients. Trying to find a tomato, or any spice was an utter nightmare. I had to take up botany myself to stop myself from losing to much money on leveling cooking. In my experience no other crafting job had to buy most of their items at npc to level.

Cooks lagged behind other crafts due to low motivation to level it. When cooking materials failed to sell on market like maple sap, gatherers quickly chose to NPC them instead.

It's up to the crafters to take it up with the gatherers and pay the pipers for the mats. Otherwise we trash them without hesitation. What you can't say is grah anyone can harvest tomatoes why they're this and that I'm not paying more than 1k for them...then you won't be paying anything for them because gatherers and battlers will toss them. Because the prices of most gathering mats have gone so low, we voluntarily cut production by quickly trashing products that are clearly only hurting us.

I give all my tomatoes from battling to our cook though. People shouldn't be tossing tomatoes. They just don't know though, because no one's bought them in the past. Tomatoes have no reputation. Again that's up to the crafters to make them have one, not the gatherers.

And as far as the bots saying it's not worth their time, it probably isn't. Very few targets in gathering are worth our time becuase it's all over-produced trash righ tnow. Quarrying isn't worth my time, period. Straight waste of life.

I'm almost a R50 miner, and I bought the last 600 silver ores to level blacksmith to 50 as opposed to mining them. THAT is sad.

[Reika]

So i found this retainer with 10 stacks of 99/99 iron sands for 900gil each.... Name is Oopp...

[Shinichi]

This sucks totally. Of course SE has to make sure that there will be no item floods, but the time (or amount, whatever) u can gather items is simply to short (low).

Look at me for example. Ive gotta work a lot and sometimes at one of rare free days i say "k, time to push my miner". and then ... i think ya know...

so the main problem for me is, that u get only half exp (and i think exp are already realy low without these fatigue) when u "damage" an item in "fatigue"

[Peregrine]

They could give you enough points for 7 days at a time, so 17,500 points. Enough for about 14 hours of gather-sp'ing or about 10 hours of gathering at low nodes. That'd help the weekend warriors get their week's worth of haul.

But then people would just blow it all by Tuesday and rage even harder.

People arguing that restrictions should be removed just don't get that they're asking for the problems to get worse. If anything, production needs cut and cut pretty dramatically. They argue that they have a right to gather as much as they have time for when...no they don't. No one told them that. No one taught them that. They just FIGURED.

And they figured wrong.

The only change in this regard that the economy can SUPPORT is to remove the SP penalties involved in gathering fatigue. we're already looking at an economy that needs more severe restrictions on production as it is.

[Xenor]

It's painful watching the price of gold crash on Wutai, though it was long over due. But it's looking like the days of making good money with mining are over until grade 6. That shit and other shit needs to be made rarer.

[Peregrine]

I haven't checked in a while. Doesn't surprise me. I haven't mined with the new sweet spot enhancements, but it sounds even more broken. From what I understand I could get 7 gold ores per node now instead of 75% of the yield from the gold ore tic being non-gold. As opposed to coming home with 50 ores and 60 sands after a massive mining session, I could come home with 150 ores from 25 nodes or so.

System's not sustainable like that unless we're just giving up on the idea that a high-level craft is remotely rare or difficult.
Which is fine, but I don't think many players signed up for that radical of an idea that every craft should be as easy to progress in as a battlecraft, with minimal investment other than time.

I can deal with that radical concept but...why are we doing it? Only reason I can think is so that shells can be their entire economy and community within themselves, that coincides with making the teams smaller and the content less unwieldy.

But if that is the future of MMOs...why not just build games with 24 online players? This is a MMO. If massively is no longer a part of the structure, then it's just a MORPG. Just an extended multiplayer offline RPG.

[Leelya]

I think once adjustments are made to crafting that make it more sensible there will be a wider "buy-in" by the player base. The recipes for cooks appears to require the most materials, but since "historically(FFXI)" cost was so low on food I believe there is a general sense of selling items not being worth it.

I myself remember leveling Miner up early, and no one would buy my Pyrite, Jade Stones, or Miter Shells. I begin NPC'ing this stuff in hordes. I decided to attempt to build a customer base for myself. So when I did mine I had 7-10 people who wanted to buy items from me ahead of time. So that took away from NPC sales, gave me a bigger profit margin, and I was able to meet some new people as well.

My 2 cents,

[Vesper]

A DoL successfully gathering an item is IMO the equivalent of a DoW/M successfully slaying an enemy/mob. Which means that when we FAIL to pull that item in because of this hidden fatigue system, it would equate to a DOW/M suddenly being killed by 70%+ of anything they try and attack.

Even on the lowest grade a fully capped DoL can fail 80-90% of their harvest attempts do to this hidden system. Could you imagine if a DOW/M suddenly just started being insta-killed by 80-90% of the mobs in this game due to a system as terrible as this? Not only that but being insta-killed at 50 by a WARF RAT?

Not only that but this actually does more than affect are chances at gathering. It affects our leveling as well. I can go gather on fisher and hit fatigue. Now I swap to botany to rank up some. Oh guess what, now I have insta-fails on my botanist because I played my fisher for a few hours earlier. Completely ridiculous that one class can affect me ranking another class. Hidden fatigue should not be in game at all. But having is PERSIST across ALL dols is absolutely ridiculous. No other archtype in-game deals with this stuff, except for DOL.

I realize its SE's attempt to stop RMT but it does not stop them, it hardly hinders them. It hurts more legit players than it hurts RMT. It is RMT's job to make money off in-game resources. So what RMT will go gather until they hit bad hidden gather fatigue. Then sell those resources off for gil, sell the shards they acquired while DOLing for gil and in the case of fishing use alchemy to turn those fish into shards, to sell for gil. RMT is not being stopped by this. This is worse than trying to plug a leaky damn with tampons!

It's bad enough for DOLs that this system exists. It is completely inexcusable that hitting this on one job affects every other DOL jobs as well. If this idiotic system stays in place its only fair to implement a similar epic fail system for DOH and DOW/M. Share the pain SE or get your stuff together.

Instead of lame system meant to combat RMT that do little to nothing to them and instead hurt us real players, why not look into ways in which to make us WANT to earn stuff ourselves? No one has managed to stop the RMT army and you guys are arrogant if you think your system is going to be any different. They are like cockroaches , kill one and a dozen more appear. Realize that they are here to stay, give us improved tools for reporting RMT things that are fast and easy to report to you. This will make it so more players actually report them.

And again, STOP HURTING the real players with things that do not work.

[Zephy]

Uh.. As someone who has routinely fatigued all 3 DoLs in one day I can assure you that your activities on one have no bearing whatsoever on your ability to get the others fatigued. I mean I can see that you've well ranked in FSH but I don't see BTN up there so maybe you should try it before you jump to conclusions about the limitations of the fatigue system.

Also I know that this is just a matter of opinion but I don't see the need to equivocate the activities of DoL with those of DoW/M. I'm entirely okay with limitations on DoL as they exist, despite being r37 MIN/BTN r39 FSH. If you're really advocating for the restructuring individual DoL as some sort of standalone class, well I wish you luck because while I think it would be a great thing certainly, its going to be an up-hill battle for sure.

[Burn]

I know I won't be touching mining for the long haul. I found it boring at best, more boring than WoW's method of gathering.

Coming up with crazy systems like fatigue in general is just poor poor design, I don't care what the intentions of the system was or why it was thought to be a good idea to hamper legit players.

Wanna stop rmt? hire 5-10 gm's to patrol each server, there is no other reason why you should go out of your way creating ridiculous systems just to hinder rmt when you could just have GM's ban them left and right.

I would gladly do it, if given the chance.