Marriage feedback [inofficial Poll]

[Azurus]

I see no real reason not to include same sex marriages. It affects no ones game play what so ever, and for those who don't want it, it's not like you have to attend marriage ceremonies or anything. If some players want same sex marriage, in what way does that impact anyone else? If you want to get into the controversy of real life issues (such as why we should or shouldn't have same-sex marriage) then go some where else. In a game, the controversy should be on game play mechanics like raids and drop rates.... oh and grass and jumping of course as well.
My point is, it has no affect on you what so ever if you don't plan to ever have a same sex marriage in game, so no one really have any right to say the players who do want it, shouldn't have it.
Also (here's where I turn part hippy) Love, peace and acceptance!

I agree whole heartedly. Due to the nature of how SE handled the question they opened up the community for it to start the drama. Not saying it is their fault it is SE fault for not handling it correctly. They chose the questions to answer during the live letter. If the answer is too controversal for them to give a flat out answer at the time maybe they should have, i dont know, not fielded that question until they decided what they wanted to do? Instead they asked for feedback but took a stance slightly toward the no side by not flat out allowing it right away. This is turn caused the controversy and this 1400 post mega thread...

[Kallivis]

I dont know you tell me? As just a page ago this poster was talking about having a community run aspect to marriage which they did not list. dont attack their post if u cant be bothered to read back a page.

We're dealing with a thread that has an overwhelming majority in favour of SSM and he happened to bring up a 3-point summary, placing "against SSM" at the top. Nowhere in that summary is "those who favour SSM marriage" (he chose to leave out marriage).

Am I being meticulous? Maybe a little bit. People should actually pay attention to the thread before making a post like that, especially considering 80% of all the best points (and summary of the bigger picture) lay on the first two or three pages.

I still find it difficult to understand the opposition. I may be a very opinionated person, I won't lie. But, I at least try to do what most people don't and put myself into the shoes of who I'm debating with and understand their perspective. I can understand not being attracted to the concept of SSM. I support it, but there is a part of me that is bothered by having it near me in real life. The thing is though, I'm intelligent enough to know that that mild turn-off is normal, as normal as homosexuality itself.

I get worse disgust when people eat peanut butter. How could anyone in their right mind possibly enjoy peanut butter? Good lord it is the worst smelling and tasting thing I've ever experienced. I almost get sick when people eat or talk about peanut butter. I thi--- uuuurp...

But I don't tell people that they can't eat peanut butter just because I find it disgusting.

Considering we are dealing with a fantasy world full of homosexuality and the concept of balance that still remains the biggest point to be had here. You don't even need to bring real life politics into the picture. It's already in the game. Politics completely aside, SSM wins. The opposition keeps bitching about bringing up politics to support SSM. The only reason SSM is not in the game yet is DUE to politics. If we didn't have those, there wouldn't be an issue.

So since everyone keeps harping on "focus on the game itself", SSM should be added, as the concept is already part of the game.

[Azurus]

@Kallivis....how...how can....HOW CAN YOU NOT LIKE PEANUTBUTTER!....o dear *faints* forget gay marriage we got bigger problems in this thread.... oO

[Twiddle]

Because people are passionate about making their points. Unless you're employed by Square Enix to moderate these forums, we could do without your input about whether the thread should be closed or not.

I still see various points brought up from time to time to take into consideration.

Based on the info in this thread, the opinions, ideas, and so on. That have been expressed, i think that all that needs to be said has been said. And some sort of info needs to be brought from the horses mouth before we can further expand.. No i have no relation to SE, past am a client.

[MashaLinna]

sure i think same sex marriage is fine :P

[Keisuna]

Based on the info in this thread, the opinions, ideas, and so on. That have been expressed, i think that all that needs to be said has been said. And some sort of info needs to be brought from the horses mouth before we can further expand.. No i have no relation to SE, past am a client.

I believe that whether or not everything that could be said has been said in this thread is up to the mods. They've kept it open thus far, so I'm sure they have their reasons to.

Also, I'm pretty sure that being repetitive isn't something that mods lock threads over. Not on that merit alone.

[Arcell]

I believe that whether or not everything that could be said has been said in this thread is up to the mods. They've kept it open thus far, so I'm sure they have their reasons to.

Also, I'm pretty sure that being repetitive isn't something that mods lock threads over. Not on that merit alone.

Well, that was the stated reason for closing the other thread but there were likely others. I mean 90% of the forums is the same recycled crap over and over again pretty much.

[Haibel]

the mods have left this thread open for the conversion to continue in. All over threads will be locked while this thread is on the first page. this has been on the first page for two weeks so I don't see them locking it anytime soon without a dev response in place atleast.

[RexValentino]

sweet if thats all it takes I am going to make complaints about everything till they all get fixed. I am going to start with being italian. All the avatars look to northern european, I wont play till there are some italian looking avatars. Until there are I am being discriminated against and I want it!!one1! And why cant i choose my avatars political affiliation! come on people if we dont make threads on all of this how will they get changed! Screw the game I want my politics! It IS the game now!

What i think is political in nature is that instead of making this feature of the game available to everyone (as it's intended), they are limiting it so that some players are excluded. If you add a feature and have it available to everyone ... people might get upset about it as a feature and complain ... but when you add a feature, and then limit which characters can use it properly, you can get complaints/comments not only on the feature added, but on the fact that it was limited as well. This not only increases the chance that there will be complaint threads, but also that there will be discussions on why the choice to limit the feature was made. This goes for any feature added.

In the recent translation posts it was mentioned that certain bonuses will be given to married couples, like being able to teleport to your partner using your rings. If you truly want a partner of same gender, then your only option to get/benefit from these bonuses would be to marry someone of the opposite gender. This would will lead to more fake in game marriages, which in another translated post was mentioned as something they wanted to avoid. They mentioned limiting bonuses to prevent this ... but people will do anything for bonuses no matter how small ;p

With smaller bonuses/wanting to avoid 'fake' marriages it seems like the feature to 'marry' might be geared toward the role playing community (or the community that lives in the game like it is their life). This would seem to make limiting the choice by gender make even less sense since these people care more about the realism/etc. feel of the game.

In my opinion, the best option to make this feature available to everyone (and since we all pay for this game, this feature should be available to us all!) would be to change it to unions and avoid the whole marriage mess ... and let it be between any two players. This would be all inclusive and allow everyone to get the bonuses (and any future added bonuses) with the character of his/her choice. ... and as mentioned in previous posts, people would still be able to hold their own character based ceremonies if they want something more limited.

The second best option ... just allow/include same gender "marriages," or add something to where people could have similar in game bonuses between any character they want (that way it isn't 'fake' XD).

SE is a business and i doubt has ties to anything truly political ... and from a business standpoint it is best to discuss how the players think/feel about things that might effect their profits. ... It would be hard to change my mind when it comes to this ... more freedom=good ... the first option is best !

I have already sent my official suggestion by using the support site.

[RexValentino]

Here is a link to make an official suggestion, for anyone interested. ^^

https://support.na.square-enix.com/f...a=1&p=0&fo=288

Here is one to the support site in general:

http://support.na.square-enix.com/main.php?la=1&id=902