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    Quote Originally Posted by Issachar View Post
    Let me reiterate: I am not saying being LGBT is a lifestyle choice, but the fact that expressing it online IS a choice.
    So is expressing you are straight though...

    There should be no difference in expressing whether you are straight or not - It's a relationship after all.

    Awww Kiroh beat me XD
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nix View Post
    So is expressing you are straight though...

    There should be no difference in expressing whether you are straight or not - It's a relationship after all.
    I never said otherwise.

    Expressing sexuality online is a choice.

    Expressing preference online is a choice.

    Expressing personal life online is a choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Issachar View Post
    Let me reiterate: I am not saying being LGBT is a lifestyle choice, but the fact that expressing it online IS a choice.
    You outright said lifestyle choice. Saying something about yourself online is not a lifestyle choice.

    I'm male.

    Oh look now I lead a male lifestyle I guess. Bring on the bacon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Issachar View Post
    Let me reiterate: I am not saying being LGBT is a lifestyle choice, but the fact that expressing it online IS a choice.
    whats wrong with expressing yourself online? o_O
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShinigamiKayla View Post
    whats wrong with expressing yourself online? o_O
    Nothing at all. Merely stating that it is a conscious choice to express it in a place other than in real life.
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    So anyway here is a little summary of what people have been saying since we need to get back on topic!

    -There is an overwhelming majority in support for same sex marriage.

    -As much as this is a social issue it's also a business issue due to the fact that there are some countries that do not support it.

    -There are already things in the game that countries do not support in their laws, but this game is still accepted there.

    -People have brought up changing the marriage system into some sort of bonding or companion system, avoiding the word "marriage" and the feelings associated with it.
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    I think some people completely missed the point here.
    This has nothing to do with lifestyle choices or anything, it doesn't matter who's republican or conservative or who's lgbt or straight it's about freedom of choice and equality for all.

    For those protesting it's all the LGBT community pushing this, it's not. I'm not LGBT but I support not only because I personally believe in equality but because my boyfriend has a female character and so do I. I want to experience it with him and he has strictly protested a change of gender for his character. I think it's silly that we have to be punished because some people "might" get offended in some country and that is my opinion that Yoshi-P asked for himself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz View Post
    I think some people completely missed the point here.
    This has nothing to do with lifestyle choices or anything, it doesn't matter who's republican or conservative or who's lgbt or straight it's about freedom of choice and equality for all.

    For those protesting it's all the LGBT community pushing this, it's not. I'm not LGBT but I support not only because I personally believe in equality but because my boyfriend has a female character and so do I. I want to experience it with him and he has strictly protested a change of gender for his character. I think it's silly that we have to be punished because some people "might" get offended in some country and that is my opinion that Yoshi-P asked for himself.
    Completely agree.
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    I agree a downplay or outright removal of the word "marriage" would probably work to SE's favor.

    Expanding on the idea of signed/engraved rings, this was already a feature in XI (crafters can sign their gear; if I recall Yoshi-P mentioned the possibility of it happening in XIV too). I'd love to see it happen in XIV too!

    I'm a female who plays a male character, so I ran into this "marriage" problem on XI, because my partner at the time was male playing male character; two males couldn't marry of course, so we made up for it by exchanging signed rings which we either equipped or carried in bazaar for 99999999999999999trillion gil (XD) Then they later introduced synthed wedding gear like the gowns for females, though males did not have formal attire until the 8th anniversary event).

    Back to the topic of the word marriage though, if it's cast as something else, say..."union" or "joining of the souls" as others have suggested, SE could clean its hands of any "official" stance, because it's not CALLED marriage officially. The playerbase of course would refer to it as marriage, kind of the same way we have unofficial words for things like "aggro" vs emnity, "2-hr" instead of "special ability" (2hr coming from XI's 2hr cooldown of course)

    The ceremony ITSELF can even be different, breaking away from the traditional events (such as bouquet throwing, or walking down aisle or something like that). Heck, even in real life wedding ceremonies vary greatly. Why not have a unique version for our in-game world?
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    How come you cant get married in call of duty?

    That's not far off from FFXIV.
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