Ending, plot discussion. Warning: Spoilers

[sorahu]

i wish mages could get time travel magic NOW THAT could come in handy haha ^^

[sorahu]

how long before rr goes live

[NoloeTazier]

A little theory I'm thinking of at the moment are the 12 do not actually exist. They are merely objects placed at certain positions in certain areas to channel the lands aether (sort of like how Stone Henge and the Pyramids of Giza are on leylines and people think they channel the earth's energy) to seal Bahamut. The Tomb of Xandes (Mor Dhona's twelve) is the trigger for this aether weapon as it is closest to The Crystal Tower and the old Allgan king (possibly the man who designed it and sealed Bahamut the first time?) Maybe the Primals were sealed inside the Crystal Tower so they could not draw out the aether from the land and weaken the aether lines incase Bahamut is released.

[Ursus]

From what I gathered the 12 answered the prayers and attempted to reseal Bahamut (This is what Dalamud was in the first place.) however he was too powerful. I guess we can assume that he had to have been fought, worn down and/or severely injured for it to have worked before. So now my big questions are..

1. What kind of being is Bahamut? How is this dude so powerful? Seemingly more than the 12 combined. So much so that he can't even be killed only imprisoned.. and what number of things led to him becoming strong enough to break free now.

2. What is really the true nature of the 12? They may be powerful entities but seemingly not quite as divine as those that worship them believe.

3. Once the 12 fail we are sent forward in time.. where towns are rebuilt and the world isn't a wasteland. It seems all hope was lost and Bahamut was absolutely destroying the world.. so who or what stopped it?

4. What in the hell was Atomos really doing, is it even a free being or more of a device?

[DeadRiser]

They better make a long cutscene explaining what the hell has happened between then and now. I'm so confused >.<

[Phen]

I may be recalling this wrong but I remember something about dalamud being some ancient allag superweapon. This was an early Cid quest for GC. I had assumed it was because giant doom ball/fortress, not giant weapon inside spikey prison. So I assume that Bahamut might be some kind of created hate primal thing. FF has a history of doing that with things (chaos/ship in 9/etc).

Also someone mentioned the imperial walker magitech things- they are like identical to the ones in FF6. Thats obvious but thought id point it out since as an ff6 fanboy i was like WEEEEEE.

[NoloeTazier]

I may be recalling this wrong but I remember something about dalamud being some ancient allag superweapon. This was an early Cid quest for GC. I had assumed it was because giant doom ball/fortress, not giant weapon inside spikey prison. So I assume that Bahamut might be some kind of created hate primal thing. FF has a history of doing that with things (chaos/ship in 9/etc).

Also someone mentioned the imperial walker magitech things- they are like identical to the ones in FF6. Thats obvious but thought id point it out since as an ff6 fanboy i was like WEEEEEE.

Exactly this is why I'm coming up with my theory, if it is known that the Allgans sealed Bahamut, which becomes Dalamud so people would forget the fact it's Bahamut and would not try to ressurect him. What would the Allgans, whom were apparently the most advanced race ever to walk Eorzea, need with the 12? Especially since it was their technology that sealed him. They clearly didn't need deities, so what if the 12 are merely the tales passed down about the 12 objects which were used to seal Bahamut.

[Phen]

Exactly this is why I'm coming up with my theory, if it is known that the Allgans sealed Bahamut, which becomes Dalamud so people would forget the fact it's Bahamut and would not try to ressurect him. What would the Allgans, whom were apparently the most advanced race ever to walk Eorzea, need with the 12? Especially since it was their technology that sealed him. They clearly didn't need deities, so what if the 12 are merely the tales passed down about the 12 objects which were used to seal Bahamut.

Maybe they are the allagans that did it? Crystal warriors past seems to fit the story. Also it fits the motif- the swords and the fact ff7 is yoshi's favorite game it screams knights of the round. So we have these 12 allagans who are now a conscious part of the aether to protect eorzea- they get drained to hell by garleans they cant stop the thing they created long ago.

[NoloeTazier]

Maybe they are the allagans that did it? Crystal warriors past seems to fit the story. Also it fits the motif- the swords and the fact ff7 is yoshi's favorite game it screams knights of the round. So we have these 12 allagans who are now a conscious part of the aether to protect eorzea- they get drained to hell by garleans they cant stop the thing they created long ago.

Could be yeah, The Twelve could easily be named after Warriors of the Allgan Empire who sacrificed themselves to seal Bahamut, but I don't think they are conscious beings and help in anyway in the present. The funny thing is when Bahamut sees the rays of lights and the "swords," he folds his wings in a defensive posture because he knew what was coming.
What gets me though is the Dravnians openly worship Bahamut so somewhere I can't help but think about where their role in all this is.

[Phen]

Yah thats the only thing that doesnt fit with some of the Allagan lore. Allag gets destroyed- think we can guess how now. The naming convention of the 12 makes me think high court. Azemya is literally a warden, Oschon the absentee noble, etc. But what is interesting is for a pantheon of gods- there is no zeus. There isnt a king. The king gone mad with power becomes a force of destruction his vassals seal him allag falls end of an era- rinse repeat~.

The voices in answers make me think they are people of some type, every other FF song had plot details hidden in it.