Shinryu, huh.

[Alerith]

I don't think the twelve were even summoned, I think it was just sealing magic to re-imprison bahamut/shinryu in Dalamud. The beast had gained too much power for the seal to complete.

I think it's more that our prayers weren't strong enough to save us. It looked more like a spell than the gods themselves. Or maybe we should have done the beastmen thing and collected crystals.

Then again if it was a full manifestation of the Gods' power, that's like failing to catch a Pokemon with the Master Ball.

I honestly think it was both.

The sealing spell was to contain him in another Dalamud like prison. Right before breaking free, the symbols of the Twelve were rising, I think to represent that they were being summoned.

Then Bahamut breaks free before the summoning can be completed.

[Sleverin]

The City States and Beastmen tribes use to meet and trade, the Beastmen would trade Crystals. But once the Primals "appeared" (the Sylphs tell us) they begin to hoard them and use them to summon the Primals into existence. So you can assume before the incident and maybe even after for a while, the Beastment were not in contact with the Primals.

Hmm, yeah I remember the whole crystal collecting thing and the problems that was causing. Hmm, shoot, with all this new discussion I wish I had started this earlier so I could check the cutscenes...time to look on youtube!

[Valmonte]

Knowing Hildibrand he is probably riding the back of Bahamut.

That would be Hilarious if Hildibrand turns out to be the one that slays bahamut.

[Kavaskous]

(It looks like Dalamud itself was the same container they attempted to reseal him in) So perhaps there was more to the ritual to seal him back up)

THANK YOU - Someone else noticed, been skimming threads to see whether anyone noticed how the magics the Twelve attempted to use to seal Bahamut, were almost the same type of magics that had sealed him from the beginning. Considering how powerful Bahamut is, the fact that Nael van Darnus tells you that "Dalamud was created by man and placed in the sky by his hubris" (something of that nature), and the people he speaks of are of the "Allagan Empire" (The first Era's people whose Magic/Technology/Magitek surpasses anything currently known on the face of Hydaelyn.) This leads me to wonder: How did the Allagan people pull this off, if they themselves were so powerful, where did they go, and, most of all for me... why was the Twelves' sealing spell eerily similar to Dalamud's structure? They were almost identical. Hell, even Dalamud was white before it was disturbed, and turned red.

[Roaran]

Assuming that Bahamut is stronger than the twelve, because the sealing using the 12 failed is a sign of faulty logic. Assigning the failure to the twelve is impossible, as we do not know to what degree they were actually involved or not. We don't even know what the twelve really are, just what Square Enix calls them. Also that little ritual also involved the archons and you could also assign blame to them. Or we all just didn't pray enough, either way... what really happened most likely was... Square Enix said to themselves, "Would story be cooler if Bahamut was resealed and everything up to this point was pointless? No. Okay, let's do this crazy sealing ritual but for whatever reason, flashy lights and what not, it will fail. Why does it fail? I dunno, it just does. Allright then where does Bahamut go after? We got this cool dungeon that we made but no final boss yet. What's Bahamut doing there? I dunno, he's sleepy? Okay."

[SmilingJack]

Maybe Baha was like oh FRAK this, I remember this thing (remembers similar sealing you know the potential first time). Nu uh not this time fools.Baha /decides to go all out on the seal in attempts to break it before it finishes. Baha: woot IT WORKED. Have none of you ever watched anime or manga at all ever? you know where a sealing device is used or some such that gets overwhelmed by a strong enough force? Baha would have prior experience with this thing as well as it being a possible different situation that could influence the strenght of the seal. Whether or not it physically or spiritually involved the twelve themselves has nothing to do with the sealing spell getting the bejebuz knocked out of it. You don't need to be stronger than something to focus all your energy on one point to break it.

[Eagleheart]

I approve of your shameless DBZ: Abridged reference.

D:! I was caught!!!

[Valmonte]

THANK YOU - Someone else noticed, been skimming threads to see whether anyone noticed how the magics the Twelve attempted to use to seal Bahamut, were almost the same type of magics that had sealed him from the beginning. Considering how powerful Bahamut is, the fact that Nael van Darnus tells you that "Dalamud was created by man and placed in the sky by his hubris" (something of that nature), and the people he speaks of are of the "Allagan Empire" (The first Era's people whose Magic/Technology/Magitek surpasses anything currently known on the face of Hydaelyn.) This leads me to wonder: How did the Allagan people pull this off, if they themselves were so powerful, where did they go, and, most of all for me... why was the Twelves' sealing spell eerily similar to Dalamud's structure? They were almost identical. Hell, even Dalamud was white before it was disturbed, and turned red.

it was always red and it always followed the moon.

[Duuude007]

it was always red and it always followed the moon.

Not true.

The full official quote:

Whatever it is Dalamud conjures up in your mind, lately it has taken on such an angry red hue, even those ordinarily indifferent to the affairs of the heavens have been hard-pressed to ignore the change. Verily, a growing number of citizens are seeing this as an evil portent. With a sanguinary eye seeming to glare down at all creation, you can scarce begrudge folk their sense of foreboding.

[Aryden]

I feel like the issue behind seal Bahamut is not due to power, but timing. As has been suggested, Dalamud is a container for Bahamut. In the end, the 12 were attempting to seal him back in a newly formed container. But the one thing that has been failed to be mentioned is THE KEY.

When Dalamud first explodes (clearly seen at 2:49 in the video) the "key" or tower structure is released.

At 4:58 in the video, the 12 runes/glyphs are powered, and they create a similar structure to contain Bahamut. As they are finishing this process, Bahamut bursts from the container, BEFORE THE KEY LOCKS IT.

As stated by Yoshi-P in the Live Letter:
"Q20: Please tell us more about the Crystal Tower and the Great Labyrinth of Bahamut!
A20: The Crystal Tower will be an alliance-specific raid and an alliance party consists of three parties. Both the Crystal Tower and the Great Labyrinth of Bahamut will be expanded in multiple stages.
Also, as far as the Great Labyrinth of Bahamut goes, you probably figured out the Dalamud was used to imprison Bahamut. Players will find out why Bahamut was trapped, why the key-like object fell to the ground, what role the key plays in the dungeon, etc. Sorry, this is much as I can say for now!"

So, my guess is that we will somehow use the key to reseal Bahamut in the structure provided by the 12. I am interested in how the Great Labyrinth of Bahamut will factor in to the story.

Thoughts?