Will Relics create the same problems that they did in FFXI?

[NoctisUmbra]

actually im not saying that I'm entitled to anything in particular. But if they haven't implemented anything to the level people are stating they want, there is a direct reason the company has chosen not to, and no I'm not gonna waste my time citing all the times SE has stated that the game is focused on casual play, because it has been stated repeatedly since before the 1st alpha had even been released over 2 1/2 years ago. whether Tanaka era or Yoshi-P, that's like having to cite examples of how the world isn't flat just because you haven't paid attention.

Excuse me, but FFXIV post Yoshi-P is not held accountable by anything before that said by Tanaka. They even made a public announcement that the game was going to go by different standards and not be so casual oriented - this took place around the time they started making changes such as removing surplus/fatigue, adding gear options that are significantly tougher to get than at the time, and announcing such changes as not being able to start the game or progress in the story as a DoH/L and requiring a battle class to play the game.

If you pay any attention to the patterns in the progress of the game, and Yoshi-Ps design choices, he isn't focused on casual play. That is by no means a selling point for A Realm Reborn either. The idea he has in mind is casual accessibility - which is quite different than focus on casual play.

So, your arguments failed before they started.

PS: Casual friendly/accessibility does not mean making it so everyone can get everything. It goes without saying a casual player should not expect to achieve everything in an MMO. Not in a good one anyway.

[Yolteotl]

If you pay any attention to the patterns in the progress of the game, and Yoshi-Ps design choices, he isn't focused on casual play. That is by no means a selling point for A Realm Reborn either. The idea he has in mind is casual accessibility - which is quite different than focus on casual play.

So, your arguments failed before they started.

Inorite? Like the removal of TA loot mandates, the implementation of quest based leveling, the fact that you all are still searching for something that will make u feel Elite, etc...

[NoctisUmbra]

Inorite? Like the removal of TA loot mandates, the implementation of quest based leveling, the fact that you all are still searching for something that will make u feel Elite, etc...

/sigh... and this is where I conclude that you are not worth my time.

Yes. Feel free to take that as some elitist cliche response as I'm sure you will.

[TheFatHousecat]

Inorite? Like the removal of TA loot mandates, the implementation of quest based leveling, the fact that you all are still searching for something that will make u feel Elite, etc...

It's not so much that we're still searching, but that we're demanding. Once we've beaten something of a certain difficulty, we don't just lay back and resign to easier content for the rest of the game. If you're content with easy content/fights for the next several years of this MMO that's perfectly fine, but I'm not content with that. We ask for more challenges, and so far Yoshi & team have delivered every time.

[Yolteotl]

It's not so much that we're still searching, but that we're demanding. Once we've beaten something of a certain difficulty, we don't just lay back and resign to easier content for the rest of the game. If you're content with easy content/fights for the next several years of this MMO that's perfectly fine, but I'm not content with that. We ask for more challenges, and so far Yoshi & team have delivered every time.

I agree with that, it's just I do not agree with people thinking the FFXI Relic system is a good idea for FFXIV. Which is the predominant example that people desire in the thread. It's one thing to continue the progressive difficulties, its another to want something that took so long for 1 person to get but 30 people to assist that by the time ur looking at the 4th person ur looking at a 2 year waiting period (aka ~$288 less u risk losing ur points). THAT kind of 'Content' is nothing more than a time sink. There were only 2 steps of a FFXI Relic that were challenigng the Necropsyche and the Testament, but it took the participation of all those people all those years just to advance so few. That "Content' is nothing more than Elitism at it's ugliest and not content that this game has ever acted like was to be considered. It's one thing to put in Content that most groups will struggle at, another to put in Content that your own group's members will not be able to obtain the reward EVER even though your group has the skill to do it well.

Also, the use of 'Hardcore' by Yoshi-P is not a position against my argument, ur melding his words to meet ur opinion. At the time Yoshi-P made that statement there was also a clear definition of what they meant at that same time by 'Hardcore' or 'Casual'. The only difference between the two in actual context to what he was saying was Hardcore = people who log-in everyday for a relevant amount of time and Casual = people who only log-in 3 or less days a week for a relevant amnount of time.

[dbrewer225]

YOLTEOTL U HAVE MADE TOO MUCH SENSE IN THAT STATEMENT U BETTER BE CAREFUL, PEOPLE WHO ARE ELITIST ARE GONNA SAY U JUST MAD CAUSE U DIDNT GET RELIC.