Will Relics create the same problems that they did in FFXI?

[syntaxlies]

Apples and Oranges..

All people currently do is saying "Hey you didnt do it, how would you know"? Doesnt change simple facts..



From someone who did it, proving my point WAR Relic done in 2 days.

i have not been arguing whether it is easy or not, i am arguing that people who didnt do it have no right to comment.

[GreyJorildyn]

He'a totally missing context as well, but that's not important at all is it?

Meatdawg was in an incredibly hardcore LS. As such his results are not typical. In fact, not even close.

Nero, if you are talking about what can be done given the few restrictions that exist within the quest, then yes you can get all relics in a month after hamlet. The objectivity of the situation applies to even less than the 3% of the population that posts here.

You neglect in your argument that you not only need a LS but a strong one. That means reliable people. Those reliable people must be skilled (to a certain necessary degree that can be quantified and/or discussed a plethora of ways). Those skilled people must value teamwork and be able to work as a team. That team must have the desire to complete 7 relics together. These are not factors that can be neglected in this discussion.

My LS has a working man's schedule. Yes some of our members have all 7 relics, but it's not just because they had the time to do it and it was possible within the game's structure. They worked for it. And yes, I don't believe you have the full grasp of what it takes to accomplish that. It is more than just grab 7 other people and go to town. That was Req's point and you clearly missed or ignored it.

I am not implying you do not have some handle on the system. Clearly you have some knowledge in this area and I just feel there's more to it than you have conveyed. That's all.

Also, see my profile for my education if you care.

[Duelle]

SE made relics available very early on in FFXI's lifecycle in 2003. They were the top weapons until 2010 when abyssea came out and gave us Empyrean weapons some of which were better then relics.

Relics created an artificial ceiling on weapons in FFXI in that no weapon released in that 10 year time span could be better then a relic or have higher damage on it.

Now we have FFXIV they released relics early on as well. Are we going to see a repeat of what happened in FFXI where every new weapon that comes out has to be worse then relics? Or will we actually see them come out with new weapons that are better then relics?

Maybe I'm remembering wrong, but...

Most relics were considered pretty lol or a waste of shell resources outside of Gjallerhorn and Aegis, as the elemental staves outclassed the BLM relic quite handily. Others like Gungnir and Ragnarok were considered subpar either because of weapon skills or sheer stats. Hence why the shield and the horn were the most common relics (aside from the fact putting a relic together was already a massive pain in the ass).

At least as I remember it, you didn't see shells going crazy to get Gungnirs, Ragnaroks and Excaliburs. You did see them getting the shield and horn for all their PLDs and BRDs, though.

I think your question should be more as to whether they'll make dumb mistakes like creating super weapons like the elemental staves that last much more than any lv51 weapons have a right to.

[Nero]

Nero, if you are talking about what can be done given the few restrictions that exist within the quest, then yes you can get all relics in a month after hamlet.

Dont need to quote more, because this is all i am talking about in comparsion between FFXIV Relics and FFXI Relics. Everything beside that just came up due certain missinterpretations of my Comments?!

Like i also said, not everyone is capable of actually doing it, i just talk about the posibility tho. Which makes the FFXIV imo not on par with FFXI Relics. Somewhere i said certain people dont have Relics, because they dont have a dedicated group of doing it, since is pretty much what you said in the rest of your post. That you need those people, i never denied that.

[Firon]

I agree with OP After i got my relic Shield in XI and all my other pld gear I did start to find XI uninteresting. While i don't have any relic weapon my self i would have one if i would have tried for it but i did not for 1 reason I HATE FUKING HAMLET, and i also thought the mnk wep was sub par(personal opinion) but i did help with almost the entire quest line and it was not hard at all from what i did.

[Firon]

Maybe I'm remembering wrong, but...

Most relics were considered pretty lol or a waste of shell resources outside of Gjallerhorn and Aegis, as the elemental staves outclassed the BLM relic quite handily. Others like Gungnir and Ragnarok were considered subpar either because of weapon skills or sheer stats. Hence why the shield and the horn were the most common relics (aside from the fact putting a relic together was already a massive pain in the ass).

At least as I remember it, you didn't see shells going crazy to get Gungnirs, Ragnaroks and Excaliburs. You did see them getting the shield and horn for all their PLDs and BRDs, though.

I think your question should be more as to whether they'll make dumb mistakes like creating super weapons like the elemental staves that last much more than any lv51 weapons have a right to.

The sword was boss for pld i wanted one only got the shield tho. The dmg from the sword when hp was high was too good to for hate and just extra dmg. The Scythe, Gun and Dagger was also good as well. The Lance i can't remember cause the person we got one for had to quit cause of RL issues.

Edit: Aslo the other reason ppl went for shield and sword first cause it made the game easy as hell.

[Ingolf]

This reminds me of the ancient argument in FFXI. "If you've never played a job, you can't know how to gear it up, so I won't take any advice you give me" which is just as stupid.

[Nero]

i have not been arguing whether it is easy or not, i am arguing that people who didnt do it have no right to comment.

Why? Even if i usually like your Postings, this is sooo wrong.

It is like saying noone is allowed to comment about WWII, because they did not experience it.
It is like saying noone is allowed to comment about FFXIV Alpha Animation, since noone here is programing it.

[syntaxlies]

Why? Even if i usually like your Postings, this is sooo wrong.

It is like saying noone is allowed to comment about WWII, because they did not experience it.
It is like saying noone is allowed to comment about FFXIV Alpha Animation, since noone here is programing it.

well you can comment, i meant commenting on the difficulty lvl of it. If you just mean that certain people can get them rather fast then that is fact. But im saying don't comment on the difficulty lvl of the content if you have not done it. It wasn't an attack on you, just saying wait til you complete it to post on the difficulty lvl.

[Judge_Xero]

would have to be some sort of mega bonus to make up for most af gear being completely sub-par to most other gear. I dont desire a set bonus for it but from what im hearing there will be vanity slots so you can were it if you want and get better stats from other gear.

Sub par in that you can't meld the base stats and such to it. But as a set bonus, "anything" can be added. Not to mention "the effectiveness of base stats is being adjusted for ARR"

In context what I mean is:
- 6 Piece Bonus would require the Relic Weapon
- Without directly upgrading the Relic Weapon, through use of the AF gear, you limit the issues that having to balance content based on a super powerful weapon has on future gear for people without Relic Weapons.

I was thinking more along the lines of, wear the AF armor for the amazing Gear set Bonus, and have the DL armor for Vanity. Or Pink Mage gear, or whatever

It is like saying noone is allowed to comment about WWII, because they did not experience it.

FYI, WWII was super easy to win