Will Relics create the same problems that they did in FFXI?

[Nero]

I have no clue how people compare FFXI to FFXIV Relics.

A lot people listed allready what is similiar and what is not, but it does not change the fact that certain Japanese People managed to get all Relics within a Timeframe of 2 Weeks, while fastest Relic was done within 24 Hours.

I'm Sorry? People can say whatever say want, but in FFXI it was impossible to get Relic done in that amount of Time. Does not matter if it's RNG or not.

So for me the current "Relics" are more compareable to the FFXI's AF-Weapons.

[Elexia]

So for me the current "Relics" are more compareable to the FFXI's AF-Weapons.

This is EXACTLY what they are, however SE retagged them to relics. XIV relics = XI Empyreans in terms of difficulty.

[Req]

Alot of people saying XIV relics aren't legendary items in this thread haven't even beaten ifrit, and alot of them completed the quest line for the first within the past couple of weeks....

This is after all the strategies have been hammered out for months and there is a ton of information available detailing each step in the process.

[Nero]

Alot of people saying XIV relics aren't legendary items in this thread haven't even beaten ifrit, and alot of them completed the quest line for the first within the past couple of weeks....

This is after all the strategies have been hammered out for months and there is a ton of information available detailing each step in the process.

No Clue what this have to do with the Discussion, but since i am a nice Guy i will ask you:

What is your Point?

[Req]

No Clue what this have to do with the Discussion, but since i am a nice Guy i will ask you:

What is your Point?

The point is the fact that this is a thread full of armchair quarterbacks stating the quest line is "so easy it can be done in a week" when they have not completed the questline, or it took them so long they barely met the deadline for the servers final save date. It is real easy to say that something is easy when youre looking on from a spectators position.

[Nero]

The point is the fact that this is a thread full of armchair quarterbacks stating the quest line is "so easy it can be done in a week" when they have not completed the questline, or it took them so long they barely met the deadline for the servers final save date. It is real easy to say that something is easy when youre looking on from a spectators position.

Did you consider the fact that people didnt care about it for different reasons?

1. People couldnt have a dedicated Group to do it.
2. People couldnt care about the Weapons at all.
3. People may had other Goals to achieve.
4. People started late and couldnt finish before last save.

etc etc.

I get what you are saying, but still doesnt change the fact that the FFXIV-Relic quest line is more like FFXI Af Weapons, while Legendary Weapons will be actually on par with FFXI Relics. It has been proven by Japanese people mainly than this Questline CAN be done within 1 day or 2 days, if you really want it. How does it matter if people did not beat Ifrit x?

[Req]

Did you consider the fact that people didnt care about it for different reasons?

1. People couldnt have a dedicated Group to do it.
2. People couldnt care about the Weapons at all.
3. People may had other Goals to achieve.
4. People started late and couldnt finish before last save.

etc etc.

I get what you are saying, but still doesnt change the fact that the FFXIV-Relic quest line is more like FFXI Af Weapons, while Legendary Weapons will be actually on par with FFXI Relics. It has been proven by Japanese people mainly than this Questline CAN be done within 1 day or 2 days, if you really want it. How does it matter if people did not beat Ifrit x?

Um because Ifrit extreme takes linkshells weeks to months to learn how to kill the first time? I am guessing you have never fought it if you are comparing this to the level 40 AF weapons in XI, which you could get that one "godlike" level 60 guy in your first social linkshell that is sitting there in full dragoon AF and level 14 rings to solo the fight for you.

If you had someone give you all their currency in XI you could get the quest line done within a few days as well if it werent for the fact that it was designed to make you wait a certain amount of time between each phase of the quest line.

I am not denying that there are too many relics, but this stems from the fact that the quest line was designed so that multiple people in a linkshell can go into a dungeon and they can all work on it at the same time and make the same amount of progress. If they had made it so that each dungeon run you only got one of each drop per party item the number of relics would probably be about 20% of what it currently is making them seem like its so much harder to get them, when in reality it is just more time consuming.

[Nero]

Um because Ifrit extreme takes linkshells weeks to months to learn how to kill the first time? I am guessing you have never fought it if you are comparing this to the level 40 AF weapons in XI,

No matter what you say, timewise it is like FFXI AF Weapons. And it doesnt take every Linkshell weeks to learn it, as Japanese player has proven. Do you actually read what i said?

which you could get that one "godlike" level 60 guy in your first social linkshell that is sitting there in full dragoon AF and level 14 rings to solo the fight for you.

lol?

If you had someone give you all their currency in XI you could get the quest line done within a few days as well if it werent for the fact that it was designed to make you wait a certain amount of time between each phase of the quest line.

You are grabbing Straw-mans now. It was never done in FFXI in a couple days, it was actually done in FFXIV.

JP mainly? .

JP mainly if it comes to finish ALL Relics within 2 Weeks. I didnt see it from a NA/EU Shell yet, which does not mean that NA/EU couldnt do it.

But in the end Yoshi says they are too easy to get so I expect them to get replaced in there current form rather quickly with new primal/dungeon drops.

Ssssh... you cant say that. I know Yoshi said that, but people in this Thread believe its the hardest Shit ever, so dont ruin their dreams. XD

[Endu]

If you had someone give you all their currency in XI you could get the quest line done within a few days as well if it werent for the fact that it was designed to make you wait a certain amount of time between each phase of the quest line.

Except for the small detail that at the 75 cap, you needed a skilled group that knows Dynamis well to get the Attestation in Glacier & down all the demon NMs + down the animated weapon in Xarc. I'm not saying those things are overly hard per-se, just that doing them does take actual player skill and a group that has had plenty of practice in Dynamis in general. I knew a guy that was super rich, bought all his relic currency & then couldn't get the quest done for the longest time because his linkshell didn't have the skill to get him his last 2 items.

Again, getting those items isn't hard for a skilled group that knew Dynamis well, but I see multiple people in this thread claiming anyone could get a relic if they had the currency. Just not true. Now I will concede that in today's XI, that's probably true. I would think you could finish a relic there these days just as fast as you can on XIV, since the cap is 99. But at the 75 cap? No. You needed a skilled group (or at the very least skilled people leading the runs & doing the sac pulls) for the last parts of the quest, just like you need a skilled group for Ifrit Extreme.

As far as the XIV relic = XI AF weapons, I don't agree with that at all. It's more like XIV relic = XI Empyrean weapons in terms of the time it takes to get one. Last time I played XI on a reg, the cap was still 90. Back then it took about a week (sometimes less depending on the weapon) to finish the trials for the level 85 version of the Empys. Empys are slightly easier due to the fact that even with the last 2 trials (for the 85 ver at least) being RNG grinds, you usually always get at least 1 item. The point is; they are realy nice weapons that don't take too long to get with a good static, just like the XIV relics.

As for the original topic of conversation, there is no doubt the XIV relics will be upgradable. But I wouldn't be shocked to see weapons from the hardest content at the start of 2.0s life that are equal to relics. I also wouldn't be shocked if the upgrades get harder and harder over time to thin the herd a bit & we end up with only a fraction of those with relics that have the top tier upgrades.

[syntaxlies]

Did you consider the fact that people didnt care about it for different reasons?

1. People couldnt have a dedicated Group to do it.
2. People couldnt care about the Weapons at all.
3. People may had other Goals to achieve.
4. People started late and couldnt finish before last save.

etc etc.

I get what you are saying, but still doesnt change the fact that the FFXIV-Relic quest line is more like FFXI Af Weapons, while Legendary Weapons will be actually on par with FFXI Relics. It has been proven by Japanese people mainly than this Questline CAN be done within 1 day or 2 days, if you really want it. How does it matter if people did not beat Ifrit x?

well, no matter the reason they didn't do it, if they didn't do it they cant bitch about how easy it is...