Will Relics create the same problems that they did in FFXI?

[DoctorMog]

I want the devs to bring purpose to obtaining different weapons, other than relics.
Making other weapons (and armor) UNIQUE is what makes them situationally better than relics.


This is just my idea:
Relics should have the best DPS, this might include adding accuracy, crit attack power, store TP... whatever. But they should be the all around winners.

Another set of weapons could have an effect on hit, stun, paralyze, slow, etc...

Another set of weapons could have beneficial effects to the wielder, Protect when using, HP on hit, MP on hit, etc...

Another set of weapons could be a part of a set that includes armor, Sets are great because they can be very "directional" Wearing Set A could give the best TP regen in the game. SET B might have the best Life on hit, C could have amazing accuracy etc... All of which, could be better than a relic in their respective "direction" but worse in others. The thing is, you need to be wearing the whole set to get the benefit. And the best TP regen weapon set in the game might have terrible accuracy for instance to balance things out.

Another weapon could have better "range" (Think extending weapons from Aion)

I can go on, but you see where I'm going. Relics should be your "go to" weapon in most situations IF you have one that is. What we need is more weapons with these unique properties that are max level. Everyone without a relic might have to do more weapon switching in different situations to achieve similar dps to a relic, but that is the benefit of the relic.

What happened to the dagger that had the added effect of provoke? Or a stun dagger? Why weren't these options at level 50? They should have been.

[Babydoll]

In the PDF files and interviews Yoshida mentioned something about Legendary weapons. Like the Excalibur, Masamune and such. If those do ever come out I imagine they will replace relics? Either that or maybe they will add more and more quests to relics to upgrade them to Legendary weapons Who knows?

http://rainyautumnskies.wordpress.co...naoki-yoshida/

and here

http://gdl.square-enix.com/ffxiv/dow...Content_EN.pdf

I have no idea if this means they will be upgrading relics eventually or maybe new weapons entirely Interesting though either way !

[Dzian]

There's a big thing you're missing. Between 2003 and 2010 what % of the FFXI player base owned a Relic Weapon. (even just 1)
Relics have been in 14 for what, 8 months what % of the XIV player base owns them. (and in many cases several)

To me in FFXI it was very boring how they never came out with better weapons to get after relics until abyssea.

Until Abyssea relics were so damn rare that it wasn't an issue. According to the 9th vana'diel census (the one before Abyssea there were 3,246 completed relics (of any type) across all worlds. (Click here for source)
There were what 30 servers around back then so about 100 relic weapons per server.

The relic of XI was a whole different calibur to the relic we have in XIV. In XIV the current relics are Incredibly common place for something that's supposed to be a Relic. If I recall though Yoshi had said what we currently consider relic won't always be the best weapons, something considered relic now might not be relic at somepoint in the future. If you follow the PLD story there were 4 mighty swords forged or something. Maybe at somepoint there'll be a totally new "relic" quest for one of the other 3 swords and curtana may become obselete as a relic weapon.

[Zumi]

There's a big thing you're missing. Between 2003 and 2010 what % of the FFXI player base owned a Relic Weapon. (even just 1)
Relics have been in 14 for what, 8 months what % of the XIV player base owns them. (and in many cases several)


Until Abyssea relics were so damn rare that it wasn't an issue. According to the 9th vana'diel census (the one before Abyssea there were 3,246 completed relics (of any type) across all worlds. (Click here for source)
There were what 30 servers around back then so about 100 relic weapons per server.

The relic of XI was a whole different calibur to the relic we have in XIV. In XIV the current relics are Incredibly common place for something that's supposed to be a Relic. If I recall though Yoshi had said what we currently consider relic won't always be the best weapons, something considered relic now might not be relic at somepoint in the future. If you follow the PLD story there were 4 mighty swords forged or something. Maybe at somepoint there'll be a totally new "relic" quest for one of the other 3 swords and curtana may become obselete as a relic weapon.

Almost everyone in my LS had a relic or 2 pre abyssea they weren't that rare. If you were in any endgame LS most everyone had one.

[CarolinaGMCKSFan]

Almost everyone in my LS had a relic or 2 pre abyssea they weren't that rare. If you were in any endgame LS most everyone had one.

Are you crazy? I was in FFXI endgame for a long time and we didn't have one in the whole shell. The only LS's that I was aware of that had anywhere close to the amount of relics you claim your ls had camped kings and sold the drops to buy currency. And everyone knows what it took to claim Kings. But even doing that no shell had everyone with a relic. Much less two. If you had a LS with 5 relics you were something.

[Zumi]

Are you crazy? I was in FFXI endgame for a long time and we didn't have one in the whole shell. The only LS's that I was aware of that had anywhere close to the amount of relics you claim your ls had camped kings and sold the drops to buy currency. And everyone knows what it took to claim Kings. But even doing that no shell had everyone with a relic. Much less two. If you had a LS with 5 relics you were something.

Sounds like you didn't do dynamis.

[Dzian]

Almost everyone in my LS had a relic or 2 pre abyssea they weren't that rare. If you were in any endgame LS most everyone had one.

Yet the Official Census clearly shows that wasn't true.

3,245 completed relics in total. there was something like 500,000 subscriber accounts at that time (accounts not characters) that's less than 1% of account holders owning a relic even after ~7 years of them being introduced.

[CarolinaGMCKSFan]

Sounds like you didn't do dynamis.

You're right. I did all FFXI endgame for 6 years. Except namis.

Almost everyone in my LS had a relic or 2 pre abyssea they weren't that rare. If you were in any endgame LS most everyone had one.

Sounds like you guys were a bunch of king-botting, gil-buyers.

[Almalexia]

Based on the acquisition rate, I wouldn't be surprised if relics are outclassed by something else. Both upgrades and "not even relics are safe" have been mentioned.

I wonder whether the top of the heap will have room for more than one weapon at a time. In FFXI, they created alternatives to relic in the form of mythic/empyrean. We learned alternative doesn't always mean better.

In what ways can an alternative weapon compete with relic in FFXIV?

[OrionInerghem]

The relic quest in XIV is also evolving, they can easily put in a new tier (and I'm sure they will) to add new stats, higher DPS ect. They don't even have WS's yet!