Will Relics create the same problems that they did in FFXI?

[Ryuko]

The upgrade quests will probably be long and for the duration of that quest, primal weapons maybe better for actually working towards them.

And primal weapons still cater to those without relic.

That would be interesting if the string of events happened as follows...

Relic weapon is the best weapon.
New primal fight is released.
New primal weapons are slightly better than (or comparable to) the relic weapon.
New relic upgrade is released soon after.
Upgraded relic is the best weapon.

Rinse, repeat.

[dbrewer225]

ryuko, yoshi has stated and the whole community that gear swapping will not be a mechanic in this game

[Molic]

How easy are "relic" type weapons to get in other games? i've really only played ffxi and ffxiv mmo-wise and ffxiv relics seem really easy/much shorter time period compared to ffxi D:, even if it didnt take a year beating the dynamis-zone seemed almost more of a challenge then, what we had to do for these relics imo. So just kinda wondering if this is on par with other mmo's for acquiring "relics".

[Yolteotl]

The closest comparison to FFXIV relic weapons is a blend of the magian trials and mythic weapons in FFXI. Even though they are considered 'easy' to obtain in FFXIV it still encapsulated all the material the game provided at the time, similar to a Mythic (although considerably easier because of the limitations of the content). At the same time they are considered better than the other weapons available but not amazing. As the upgrading tiers of FFXIV relics continue similar to Magian trials, it is safe to assume that the requirements are going to become much more difficult to obtain (look at the requirement differences between a fully-upgraded Magian Relic/Empy and it's base in the current system), and more than likely a much more impressive pieces of gear.

The main variance between a Mythic and a FFXIV Relic is that all content needed to obtain a Mythic was locked when they ever became available, so therefore the difficulty of obtaining a Mythic was much higher and the base weapon more impressive but never progressed in difficulty as more content came out until the last few Magian trials, with the exception of the player base no longer participating in the content.

[Reika]

They should have made the relic quest as difficult as EQ's Epic weapon quests :/

And remembering EQ's Epic weapon quests is the MAIN reason I want SE to scrap Relic reborn and create separate quests for each different job weapon. EQ didn't have a copy/paste quest that was the same for all classes, they were all different and involved placed and dieties related to that class.

[Shougun]

They should have made the relic quest as difficult as EQ's Epic weapon quests :/

And remembering EQ's Epic weapon quests is the MAIN reason I want SE to scrap Relic reborn and create separate quests for each different job weapon. EQ didn't have a copy/paste quest that was the same for all classes, they were all different and involved placed and dieties related to that class.

I think they should just make relic tier quests (or just have these unique level 50 weapons) and make mythic weapons that are "upgrades" that follow the above idea (which I really like).

They kind of screwed the pooch on these current relics lol.

[Lucke]

They should have made the relic quest as difficult as EQ's Epic weapon quests :/

And remembering EQ's Epic weapon quests is the MAIN reason I want SE to scrap Relic reborn and create separate quests for each different job weapon. EQ didn't have a copy/paste quest that was the same for all classes, they were all different and involved placed and dieties related to that class.

Oh please no. I remember going for BRD Epic. Having to kill that Phinegel dude in that completely underwater dungeon. And that guy was always camped. *shiver*

EQ was the epitome of hardcore though. Remember dying at like a boss in a dungeon and leaving a corpse behind with everything you had in your inventory? Oh man, XIV should do that lol.

[Akujin]

Ah nice, I didnt realize there was an offical response to this subject lol I hadn't noticed.

[Colvin]

Something I'm just gonna throw out there. I have been in this since beta (like lots of you I am sure) and I do not personally have a relic. I would love one, but the reality is that I never even got past the seals portion because of drop back luck, and to be honest, lack of time. I Even started trying to get together my double meld to have around in case I did and I found the estimated costs astronomical. I think the most I ever had at once time was 17 mil and it simply wasnt enought to buy or build what I needed without considerable luck.

The point I am getting to is that I am all for a challenge, but high cost, long time, random success are not things I consider challenging. I would much rather it be a situation where you have a few fights that are especially difficult (like Darnus hard mode) that you go through, than a long and drawn out repetative process, especially when even the individual steps are based on random chance.

For this reason, I hope they DO make Relics "Easier" to get. Honestly, I have gotten every end game items since they started making "relics" for final fantasy games (11 and 14 aside) and I have never felt that any of those took too much time. I would rather see it that everyone gets to have a crack at Relics based on logical progression and skill, rather than simply exhorbant amounts of invested time.

When I got my zilart earring, I felt like it was a great accomplishment and a hard fight.... but if I had to go through random repetitious over-and-over activities in the droves, I dont think it would have made me more accomplished... just fatter, older, and wishing I had spent more time doing something else.

I know not everyone will agree with me and that's fine... just my 2 (more like 5 at this point) cents.

[Aerenvel]

SE made relics available very early on in FFXI's lifecycle in 2003. They were the top weapons until 2010 when abyssea came out and gave us Empyrean weapons some of which were better then relics.

Relics created an artificial ceiling on weapons in FFXI in that no weapon released in that 10 year time span could be better then a relic or have higher damage on it.

Now we have FFXIV they released relics early on as well. Are we going to see a repeat of what happened in FFXI where every new weapon that comes out has to be worse then relics? Or will we actually see them come out with new weapons that are better then relics?

I dont think of them as really relic weapons when Excalibur comes ill consider that a relic weapon curtana is filler imo.
You know relics could be upgraded in 11 right and you can duel wield PLD/NINDNC or RDM Excalibur/Almace
and there were other used weapons relics should be the best revered not only in FF lore but rl as legend.
Excalibur be my strength King Arthur knights of justice.
ever heard the story of Masamune and Muramasa his apprentice challenging his master, beautiful story.
only problem i had was i always believed Excalibur should be PLD only and RDM shouldnt get it. another reason i like the weapon division.
It also came out later lvl75 entry sword upgraded to max lvl and i onyl seen people up to 95 no 99's
Just look at those weapons more as an entry lvl relic to promote getting back to the roots of the staple image more than and actuall relic specially if they converge other ff games with this.
Also in 03 Excalbur took YEARS to make vs how abby is now and take months so maybe it was the best weapon in teh game but thats ok cause like 2 people on the server had it.... 3 YEARS later
And the only reason it is easier is you have 99's to farm it and it only takes that long cause of dynamis time span. Game is way harder doing capped content.